Jeebus!

November 19, 2012 17 Comments
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It says something about our modern, dumbed down society when the Beeb has to issue the following disclaimer on an article:

Disclaimer: Charlotte Pritchard and the BBC do not recommend chopping any sort of food on your toilet seat.

Presumably they realise that there are cretins out there who, having read the article, will do just that.

I’m sure Leggy will be able to comment here –  this being his area of expertise. However, it strikes me as an awful lot of scare mongering. We have been living alongside nasty bugs for millennia and to suggest that our survival is down to luck and that something must be done is once more an example of our dumbed down attitudes.

But we all touch these perhaps startlingly dirty things every day, and on the whole we don’t get constantly ill.

Precisely. We have developed immune systems to deal with these nasties and exposure to them from time to time will trigger those systems. Remove them completely and we will be more vulnerable to disease, not less. Sure, basic hygiene is sound advice, however, I’m not going to lose sleep over it and beyond regularly changing the washing up sponge –  which we do anyway –  and keeping the chopping board clean –  which we do anyway –  I’m not about to do anything.

“All of us, in all these countries we have gone to, rely on Lady Luck too much, keeping our fingers crossed or sitting on our hands. In a modern scientific society, what we want is people to realise there’s a problem here and take action.”

See above…

An article about nothing frankly. However, somewhat illuminating regarding modern attitudes –  especially those regarding risk.

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17 Responses to Jeebus!

  1. Voice of Reason
    November 19, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    This fits nicely with the recent scientific article suggesting that the human race is getting dumber.

  2. ivan
    November 19, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    It appears that today we are suffering because too many people have gone overboard and endeavor to live in sterile environments.

    In many ways I think we were healthier in the 40s and 50s for the reasons you state – our immune systems were kept at the ready, now they are not.

    My chopping board, a piece of plywood from a fruit crate, gets rinsed after use and when it is too marked gets replaced with another piece.

    The house gets swept once a week to remove the dog hairs and whatever my Newfoundland brings in on his coat and spreads around by shaking. The floors get a weekly mopping over with a little bleach in the water and work surfaces get wiped down and that is about it.

    Doctors, what are they?

  3. Richard Cain
    November 19, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    I qualified as a medical microbiologist in 1975. I studied, apart from “germs”, immunology, biochemistry, haematology and a few others.

    I argued way back then that intensively sanitised life-styles would be counter-productive. The immune system needs continual challenge. I was shouted down.

    We all now live in antigen-minimal environments. Results….

    Allergies UP
    Asthma UP
    Food intolerances UP

    Domestic animals lick their own and their friends arses daily. By and large they remain very healthy. Immunity works. Intensive sanitising does not.

    • November 19, 2012 at 6:41 pm

      I think I can stop short of the arse licking, though :mrgreen:

      • November 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm

        There’s porn for that!

    • David A. Evans
      November 19, 2012 at 9:52 pm

      We all now live in antigen-minimal environments. Results…

      Speak for yourself mate. I’ve long been an advocate of not being excessively hygienic.

      Many Moons ago, people somehow knew that the immune system was important and parents would take their children to homes of friends where children had childhood diseases to get it out of the way.

      My better half unfortunately takes it all in.

      DaveE.

      • Voice of Reason
        November 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm

        I raise goats, chickens and have a donkey, plus dogs, cats and other animals in the house (the donkey is _not_ in the house). There is a lot of fur, but we have no known allergies (except that my wife and kids are celiacs, which is genetic).

  4. November 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    “However, somewhat illuminating regarding modern attitudes –  especially those regarding risk.”

    Which are topsy-turvey now, as we find we can blame others. Therefore, it’s others who have the resonsibility, not us. Hence the increasing number of adults (not youngsters) jaywalking..

  5. November 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Oh, and this comes back to the Christopher McGee case, doesn’t it?

  6. November 19, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    There’s too much to rip up in that BBC story for one comment. Bottom line – toilet seats get disinfected and have very little for bacteria to grow on. The ones that are there are the ones that fell off your arse when you sat on it.

    Chopping boards are routinely covered in food and rarely disinfected because nobody wants to eat food flavoured with Dettol.

    Nobody (other than perhaps Hugh Hefner) disinfects their keyboard, ever, and keyboards have lots of little spaces for edible stuff to fall into.

    So it’s not really surprising that there are more bacteria everywhere other than the one place that is routinely treated with disinfectant.

    I wouldn’t chop vegetables on mine though. It has a dirty great hole in the middle, and everything would taste of disinfectant.

  7. November 19, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    I left a comment without being logged in, and the spaminator caught it. I can’t seem to despamify it myself.

    • November 20, 2012 at 5:48 am

      I got that yesterday evening – logged in to clear it.

  8. November 20, 2012 at 2:47 am

    Trying again:

    There’s too much to rip up in that BBC story for one comment. Bottom line – toilet seats get disinfected and have very little for bacteria to grow on. The ones that are there are the ones that fell off your arse when you sat on it.

    Chopping boards are routinely covered in food and rarely disinfected because nobody wants to eat food flavoured with Dettol.

    Nobody (other than perhaps Hugh Hefner) disinfects their keyboard, ever, and keyboards have lots of little spaces for edible stuff to fall into.

    So it’s not really surprising that there are more bacteria everywhere other than the one place that is routinely treated with disinfectant.

    I wouldn’t chop vegetables on mine though. It has a dirty great hole in the middle, and everything would taste of disinfectant.

    • Tatty
      November 20, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      Nobody (other than perhaps Hugh Hefner) disinfects their keyboard, ever,

      *hand up*…urrrm I do. I’ve a shocking lolly ice habit (Step 1: Admit your problem) and the drips build up to a point where I have to pop all the keys off, clean them and poke out the crap in the tray with a Flash wipe wrapped round a thin screwdriver.

      The amount of grunge in there matted with an assortment of cat of dog hair can be truly astonishing but it doesn’t worry me.

      There’s than enough animal hair to knit myself a new hamster on a daily sweep of the floors anyway. :)

      • November 20, 2012 at 7:45 pm

        I once dropped a splash of sticky liqueur (Cointreau? Grand Marnier? Can’t remember now) on my keyboard. On Christmas Eve. Before everything stayed open late. So had to clean it.

        *shudders* Never again… :shock:

        • Tatty
          November 21, 2012 at 2:02 am

          Who knew you were a reluctant Environmentalist ? Give yerself a pat on the back for not disturbing the whole ecosystem going on in there.

          Just call me Destroyer Of Worlds :lol:

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