People inside starting to show loyalty

November 20, 2012 5 Comments
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If the lowpoint for the common people was voting in Obama, the week following it, until now, has seen an outbreak of common sense, possibly somewhat in reaction to the huge mistake they made in the U.S.

There have been three incidents:

1. The anti gay “marriage’ protests over two days in France;

2. The election of Jean-François Copé;

3. The rejection of the women bishops leftist proposal.

Each of those three decisions had two factors in common:

1. It was a victory for the laity/common people over the left-liberal establishment;

2. These were the first steps for those nations/organizations to return to being fit for purpose.

Copé ran on a platform of returning to true conservatism – and UMP is a conservative party. The laity ran on using scripture as its basis – and the church should be based on its scripture.

More than this, it wasn’t people outside who voted, it was the party faithful. In societies where the majority have been hoodwinked by left-liberalism, obviously a majority would support bad policies but within the nation/party/church, the faithful returned to their roots, which of course is precisely what they should have done.

The point here is not the rights or wrongs of particular policies but that people inside went back to what their nation/organization was built on in the first place. A most significant point made by Copé on Fillon could also be applied to the other two:

The party did not need “a François Hollande of the right”, he said in a dig at Mr Fillon.

Fillon was UMP but had sold out to the EU with Sarkozy. This man is for France and its roots.   If Fillon wishes to pursue leftist policies, let him join a leftist party.   Ditto for Rowan Williams and the new one – if they wish to be socialist, then they can join the Labour Party.   If they want to be Christian, they can stay in the church.

The term fit for purpose is probably too early to apply to these but it’s a first step in the right direction.

5 Responses to People inside starting to show loyalty

  1. Tatty
    November 21, 2012 at 1:48 am

    The point here is not the rights or wrongs of particular policies but that people inside went back to what their nation/organization was built on in the first place.

    Precisely. Nothing stinks as bad as the stench of Hypocrisy.

  2. James Strong
    November 21, 2012 at 6:55 am

    You finish with a false dichotomy when you imply that a socialist cannot be a Christian.

    Gay ‘marriage’ is an easy problem to solve. No religious authority should be compelled to offer its sacraments to those it considers disqualified from them.

    As so often in modern society it comes down to a mis-interpretation of rights. Rights are not the same as entitlements. More explanation, to people outside libertarian circles, of the distinction between negative rights and positive ‘rights’ is always good.

    As for women bishops in the Church of England, none of my business.

  3. yvonne
    November 21, 2012 at 9:18 am

    It strikes me that those in the Church of England bemoaning the decision on women bishop are not Christian; after all if they believe in God they would say that this is God’s will. It would then be stated as a victory for the will of God and perhaps some time in the future there will be a role for women bishops, God will decide when the time is right. However, all the MSM seem to be reporting it as a tragic defeat and interviewing those that believe it so. Surely they should either be reporting it as God’s will or a victory for the status quo.

  4. Storm In A Teacup
    November 21, 2012 at 10:47 am

    With regard to women bishops – the majority voted in favour, it’s just that a 2/3 majority was required to change the status quo.

    I don’t know enough about the history of why 2/3 is required when in most voting situations it’s a case of the majority wins. I suppose 2/3 does mean that the status quo is maintained when the vote is close, however as there was a clear majority (64%) voting for women bishops it is not surprising that those who support the motion are upset today.

    It’s also worth noting that the bishops & clergy voted in favour, and it’s the laity who vdidn’t make the required numbers – which while people are free to make their own faith decisions, it does call into question how much the laity listen to and respect their clergy, who all have a calling from God to serve as priests. If the vast majority of those called by God believe He wants women to serve as bishops, and the CoE is clearly hierarchical, are the laity really saying that they know the will of God better than the priests?

    • Yvonne
      November 21, 2012 at 9:04 pm

      Roman Catholic laity informed the Vatican that in practice contraception would lead to a greater loving union between man and wife without the concerns of another mouth to feed; the Vatican ignored this – who is right in the eyes of God? In the case of the CofE the laity have also sent a message of their wishes albeit without the required percentage. Even if the majority voted for women bishops, if you believe in the will of God you accept the decision. You either trust in God or not.

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