On Wednesday, March 8, 2017, Roger Stone hosted a long segment on the Alex Jones Show.
This post is a continuation of last week’s, which reported on Stone’s earlier interviews with Josh Kaplan of Vessel News and George Neumayr of The American Spectator about his new book on Pope Francis.
John Kiriakou was the next guest. He gave Stone fascinating insights into the Deep State.
Kiriakou was a CIA whistleblower, the first CIA officer to expose the use of waterboarding in 2007. He was also the first CIA officer to be convicted of giving classified information to a reporter, although the reporter did not name his source. Kiriakou did time in a low-security prison between February 2013 and February 2015. He has written three books. He has also has received several awards for his counter-terrorism work and, later, for his whistleblowing.
WikiLeaks’ information about Vault 7 had come out on Tuesday, March 7. Kiriakou said:
Vault 7 is really a very dramatic exposure of what the CIA has been up to between 2013 and 2016. That’s Barack Obama’s second term, remember, the most transparent president in American history.
Well, apparently, the most transparent president in American history had ordered the CIA to develop hacks into the iPhone, into the Google Android phone, into the Samsung Smart TV and even into our cars’ computer systems.
Now, if you’re in the intelligence service and you’re going after a hostile power, that’s all great. If you’re going after a terrorist group or you’re primed to target the Iranians or the North Koreans, that’s great. But, what we don’t know, and what many of us suspect, is that the CIA was using this technology — or these technologies — to target American citizens. And for all we know, they may have even used them to target the then-candidate Donald Trump.
Stone said that, when he has personal conversations, he puts his mobile phone in another room.
That’s not good enough.
When I was in the CIA, 15, even 20 years ago, it wasn’t good enough to shut the phone off or put it in another room, because the CIA can remotely activate the phone so that it looks like it’s off but is still functioning as a microphone.
So, what we would do … when you could no longer take the battery out of a phone … If you couldn’t take the battery out, you would put it in a freezer and close the freezer — or refrigerator, for that matter — or leave the phone in your car, because the CIA from anywhere in the world, whether it’s Langley, Virginia or somewhere overseas, they can activate that phone — and activate the phone’s camera and can record your whole conversation without you even realising the device is on.
Stone said that, when exposed, the CIA always says they will never do anything like this again. Then something else comes to light. Stone said he hoped that President Donald Trump would shut down the CIA.
Keep in mind this is very much Barack Obama’s CIA.
The people who rose to the senior levels of the CIA over the past eight years did so under President Barack Obama. They served under John Brennan. They served under David Petraeus. They served under Leon Panetta.
I want to explain a few facts about Leon Panetta. He started his career as a Republican and worked in the first Nixon administration in the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, as it was known then. As the Director for Civil Rights, Panetta wanted to push for reform in that area, but Nixon did not want sudden change because he wanted to hold onto his voter base in the South.
Forced out of the Nixon administration in 1970, Panetta then moved to New York to work for the Republican mayor, John Lindsay, who was a big deal at the time. Lindsay became a Democrat in 1971, and Panetta followed shortly afterwards. Both thought that the Republican Party was moving away from its traditional sensible centrism.
Panetta was a California congressman for several years. If his name sounds familiar, it’s because he served in Bill Clinton’s administration as Director of the Office of Management and Budget. He was in that position from 1993 to 1994. Clinton then made him Chief of Staff, a position he held between 1994 to 1997. However, he still worked on budget packages in 1996 and 1998.
Obama appointed Panetta Director of the CIA in 2009. Panetta was in that position until 2011, at which time he became Secretary of Defense, where he stayed until 2013. Panetta now serves on various boards of directors from Oracle to Bread for the World.
I digressed to demonstrate that a lot of these high-ranking politicians have been around the Swamp for decades. As Kiriakou explains below, such careerism also involves the intelligence community. This will make Trump’s desire to drain the swamp it all the more difficult.
Now back to Kiriakou’s recent history of the CIA:
So, these guys while they’re career intelligence officers, they came of age under Barack Obama.
Now Jimmy Carter, who was one of the most viably unpopular presidents to the CIA and this was because he cleaned house. He got rid of a lot of people who had been caught by the Church Committee committing assassinations and spying on Americans and doing all the things that the law of the land says the CIA should not be doing.
What he ended up doing was firing literally hundreds of CIA officers in something called the Friday Night Massacre. People at the CIA still talk about the Friday Night Massacre. Truth be told, every once in a while, you need to carry out such an operation when [it all] becomes too politicised. It becomes too polarising and it ends up working against the interests of the president and the country. And you have to clean house.
Stone remarked that many of those who were cleared out made their way into future administrations once George H W Bush became CIA director under Gerald Ford.
That demonstrates how entrenched the Deep State is.
Stone recalled JFK’s quote to ‘smash it into a thousand pieces’ and said that was a factor in his murder.
Stone asked Kiriakou where all this would lead. Would there be a congressional enquiry or a judicial proceeding? He added that, even though Attorney General Jeff Sessions has recused himself, he could still appoint a special prosecutor.
Exactly my position [but] I don’t trust Congress at all, because Congress, in my opinion, has proven, really, since the middle of the 1980s, to be little more than cheerleaders for the CIA. Dianne Feinstein, for example.
Allow me to digress once again. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1969. She became its president in January 1978 and was elected mayor of San Francisco that autumn. She was mayor for ten years.
In 1992, she won a by-election when Senator Pete Wilson vacated his seat to become governor of California. Feinstein has been re-elected four times since then. Senate terms are six years long. She is a permanent fixture in the Senate, has served on many committees and has chaired three of them.
Feinstein is 83 years old. There is no way of getting rid of these people, especially when the people in her district keep voting her in by larger and larger numbers.
Anyway, Kiriakou went on to say:
The Senate Select Committees do nothing. The only way to [investigate the CIA] is with a special prosecutor and a grand jury. If you look at history, it’s only a grand jury and contempt of Congress that have foiled CIA members in the past.
Stone asked why people should believe what former CIA director James Clapper says.
I say all the time that the CIA told us that they were not torturing prisoners, there was no torture programme — and that was a lie. The CIA said that. They were not sending prisoners to Third World countries to undergo torture. That was a lie.
The CIA said that the Russians hacked the election and practically installed Donald Trump. Absolutely zero evidence that any of that was true. But, now, they just want us to take their word for it, that they’re not spying on Americans and that they weren’t spying on Donald Trump.
Well, my view is, every time the CIA leader opens his mouth, he’s lying. So why in the world would we believe him now?
Stone then asked about FBI director James Comey and the inaction in prosecuting Hillary Clinton.
Mr Comey has no more credibility. It is time to make Judge Jeanine Pirro head of the FBI. She was a distinguished prosecutor with a reputation for integrity and, I can guarantee you, she is one tough lady — and I’ve known her for 30 years, going back to her days as the Westchester County [NY] District Attorney. She could clean up the agency, of that I have no doubt.
I agree with Kiriakou. What’s more, nearly every American knows who Judge Jeanine is.
Pirro has had a television career for several years and Trump supporters enjoy watching her current programme, Justice with Judge Jeanine, which airs on the Fox News Channel and is available on YouTube. Pirro and her husband have been good friends of Donald Trump for at least 20 years. I read anecdotally that they dine out together.
Kiriakou continued, saying that Americans would really rally around:
a change like that … by getting rid of malcontents and starting afresh.
Stone concluded the discussion:
He is taking on a hostile takeover. God bless Donald Trump.
One cannot say fairer than that.
I have several more interviews to report on, all covering the Deep State. One concerns ex-CIA analyst Larry C Johnson, whose geo-political website No Quarter has been down for over a week. I read it during election campaigns in 2008, 2012 and 2016. Johnson used to be a Clinton supporter and went off the Democrats in 2008. If I remember rightly, he became disgusted with Hillary around the time of Benghazi. His readers, myself included, found his posts informative, analytical and largely correct.
Last week, The Independent ran an article on Johnson. It’s a bit of a smear piece, but here are excerpts:
A former CIA officer responsible for previously peddling false allegations played a prime part in the fake claim that Barack Obama secretly asked GCHQ to wiretap Donald Trump, The Independent has learned …
On 6 March, the week after Mr Trump first accused Mr Obama of being responsible for the wiretap, Mr Johnson “revealed” in an interview with Russian state sponsored network Russia Today that there was a conspiracy between US intelligence and “Britain’s own GHCQ (sic)” to derail Donald Trump’s election campaign. He said he had repeated this to Andrew Napolitano, a retired judge, who made it a basis for his own accusation against Mr Obama and GCHQ on Fox News earlier this week. The falsehood was then given further exposure by Sean Spicer, Mr Trump’s spokesman, at a White House briefing, on Thursday.
The revelation about Mr Johnson’s role in the extraordinary affair came as the Trump administration dismissed an account by Theresa May’s official spokesperson that they had apologised and pledged not to repeat the GCHQ claim.
Larry’s lying low for now.
More coming soon.