The Catalan conundrum

Watching the great and good take sides on this issue, it doesn’t seem straightforward.

For the record, the results were:

All right, look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia

During the Franco-Spanish War (1635–1659), Catalonia revolted (1640–1652) against a large and burdensome presence of the Royal army in its territory, becoming a republic under French protection. Within a brief period France took full control of Catalonia, at a high economic cost for Catalonia, until it was largely reconquered by the Spanish army.

Always worth checking history on things like this. The Catalans have been at it a very long time and it’s always worked out badly for them:

In 1914, the four Catalan provinces formed a Commonwealth, and with the return of democracy during the Second Spanish Republic (1931–1939), the Generalitat of Catalonia was restored as an autonomous government. After the Spanish Civil War, the Francoist dictatorship enacted repressive measures, abolishing Catalan institutions and banning the official use of the Catalan language again.

Throughout its history, the Catalan region has fought in various wars, usually on the losing side. All right, leaving that aside, reflect on 1956:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956

The Rákosi government thoroughly politicised Hungary’s educational system to supplant the educated classes with a “toiling intelligentsia”. Russian language study and Communist political instruction were made mandatory in schools and universities nationwide. Religious schools were nationalized and church leaders were replaced by those loyal to the government. In 1949 the leader of the Hungarian Catholic Church, Cardinal József Mindszenty, was arrested and sentenced to life imprisonment for treason.

Yet such an overlord had much to do with Islam not gaining a foothold and it still doesn’t in the Russian influence region.

Moving onto these isles, we have a bunch of people acting like the Spanish govt, the ones called Remoaners, who are loyal to the EU superstate and will use any measures [largely peaceful so far] for that superstate imposed from afar to rule.

Meanwhile, the historical nation of Britain has fought hard for its right to exist, seeing off independence moves in the outlying regions, including Scotland and its communist leader Krankie.

Meanwhile, within that historical nation is another – England – and not long ago, it was illegal to fly an English flag [see Catalans].

Meanwhile, within England, there have been various moves to revive Wessex and Northumbria, for example, but not with any success. Yet Yorkshire retains its distinct nature.

At which point does one support and identify with sub-regions of a large state and to what extent is violence acceptable in order to preserve that sub-region? You see where this is going. And how mad is it when the police start laying into the firefighters?

That way madness lies:

7 comments for “The Catalan conundrum

  1. James Strong
    October 2, 2017 at 7:38 am

    When was it illegal to fly an English flag in England?

    I assume you mean the Cross of St. George, red cross on a white background, but I don’t know what you mean by ‘not long ago’.

    • October 2, 2017 at 3:30 pm

      I was referring to pre-2010 GE when it became an issue we were caught up in. In fact, the word England itself was kept out of Blair’s, Brown’s and especially the EU’s pronouncements.

  2. Hereward Unbowed.
    October 2, 2017 at 8:53 am

    I think we must look at this [Catalan separatism] – from a wider perspective.

    Musing on, say the Catalans do declare unilateral independence.

    What of France? France, which has a considerable Catalan population, in Paris will be looking on in horror, very wary of repercussions not only from it ‘French Catalans’ but also thinking about ‘French Basques’ – very, very nervously.

    Furthermore, if….if I was to speculate, I’d say very much the French and Germans put pressure on Rajoy to prevent this ‘illegal’ plebiscite and hence the intimidatory tactics, which have all the hallmarks of an incipient totalitarian federal superstate which does not look kindly on peoples who wish to break away from the Empire.

    And in Rome too [mm feel the irony look back on history] , the threats from La Lega Nord are a constant vexation to the Roman bureaucratic mafia and of course make Berlin want to wet their trousers over a quite possible Italian separation.

    In Belgium too, there’s long been talk of dividing that flat bit of Flanders into Frog and Flemish.

    Meanwhile the Visegrad 4 are also making noises about bailing if……..Brussels doesn’t back off on its soros inspired: ‘immigrant allocation scheme’.

    Bring it all on – say I.

  3. rapscallion
    October 2, 2017 at 11:27 am

    Hereward – There is no talk of dividing Flanders into Flemish or Walloon. Flanders is entirely Flemish. I think perhaps you are mistaking Belgium for Flanders where the south (Wallonia) wants to split from Belgium

    Moreover, the Germans will want to crush all talk of secession, they have their own problem with Bayern.

    • Hereward Unbowed.
      October 2, 2017 at 11:57 am

      It’s all south pisspotical Nether lands to me. I do however, rather admire the Flemish people; hardworking, pragmatic and dependable types, many of them with rapier sharp wit and very funny with it.

  4. Mona
    October 2, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Why use violence to stop people going through ritual voting thats all it was, the results would be declared illegal anyway so why prevent it, a good beating thats what they deserve for wanting to be free. We want to be free the EU uses criminal extortion on Britain , why don’t we just tell them to get to F–ck.

  5. October 2, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    So let’s see what happens.

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