Are There At Least More Than We Thought, Then?

Bucko noted a few days ago that – in his experience – real ‘unprovoked attacks’ were very rare.

However, two possibilities crop up on the same day in different papers:

Michael and Matthew Rouzzie were returning from a local shop late at night when a gang targeted them in what prosecutor Jenny Rickman describe as a totally unprovoked attack.

She told the city crown court how the pair had been chased down the street before they were repeatedly kicked and punched.

Now, it may be that the other side offered an explanation to dispute that, and we just aren’t told about it.

But – whether truly unprovoked or not – this random violence seems to emanate from the usual suspects.

Leevan Franklin, 18, of Harrison Road, Swaythling, Southampton, admitted one charge each of causing grievous bodily harm and actual bodily harm.

Said to have 13 previous convictions, he was sent to a detention centre for 18 months.

And when he ends up killing someone?

A 16-year-old from the Bassett area of the city admitted two counts of causing actual bodily harm.

The teen – who cannot be named – received a two-year youth rehabilitation order with supervision and told to carry out 200 hours community service and a three-month curfew.

He had six previous convictions.

And remember, those are the successful detections and prosecutions only.…


A man who led an attack on New Year’s Eve revellers, leaving one of them in a freezing river, has been jailed for his “pure loutish behaviour”.

Unprovoked? Well, sort of:

Naomi Perry, prosecuting, said the two victims were walking beside the River Ock when the trio “started calling out abuse, to which Mr Carter commented ‘Happy New Year to you, too’”.

She added: “Mr Carter had the impression the other group was looking for a fight.

“Louise Collins squared up to Leanne Simmons, grabbed her by the hair and dragged her down to the floor.”

Miss Perry said Mr Carter tried to protect her but Boyce and Brown “got in on the act and blows were exchanged”.

After a brief pause, the attack resumed when Brown spat in Miss Simmons’ face and she spat back, Miss Perry said. Brown and Boyce then punched and kicked her before attacking Mr Carter, leading him to fall into the river, the court heard.

Now, no doubt someone will say he shouldn’t have responded, and that that was the ‘provocation’ in this instance. But it’s pretty weak provocation.

Pointless drunken underclass assault aside, this report did provide one genuine ‘WTF?’ moment, though:

Brown, of Saxton Road, Abingdon, was due to be sentenced at the court earlier this month but drank half a litre of vodka during a cigarette break and had to be treated.


Now, as we all know, the plural of anecdote isn’t data. But it’s hard not to draw the conclusion from this and similar reports that – for a small but significant (and growing) subsection of society – an enjoyable night out isn’t complete without a fight. And if there’s no-one of your own inclination to fight with, then a stranger will do.

And furthermore, that this is often not their first offence, not even their second, but merely the latest in a long, long line of such offences.

13 comments for “Are There At Least More Than We Thought, Then?

  1. john in cheshire
    June 28, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    From what you state above, once again the defence are trying to portray the victims as the perpetrators. If I am correct, then something stinks in the judicial system. I have some first hand experience of the police vindictiveness and incompetence in assault cases, and in lawyers attempting to destroy an individual’s reputation in order to mitigate the actions of their client. To experience it first hand, is unpleasant to say the least.

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:46 am

      Something’s been stinking in the justice system for many, many years…

  2. June 28, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    It’s undeniable that Common Purpose/Agenda 21 has infiltrated our political institutions. The fact that they’re also in the judiciary shouldn’t surprise us at all. The time has long past when simply ‘getting out of the EU’ was an answer; our infrastructure is riddled with subversives.

    • Jeremy Poynton
      June 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm

      Common Purpose is led by Julia Middleton, former doyenne of Living Marxism. I don’t think one needs to say any more. Pure poison.

  3. June 28, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    The one bright spot about this whole deal is that by and large, the underclass are a weak, unfit bunch of fast-food troughing, lager-drinking, drug-taking bunch of retards who aren’t that strong or effective, even at criminal assault. No consolation if you are attacked by a fit one (or even an unfit one) but it is possible to be prepared for this stuff.

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:46 am

      True, but then, they usually hunt in packs.

      • June 29, 2011 at 3:01 pm

        True but having looked at this in some depth, they tend to rely on a single attacker, the gang leader, and when the victim is vulnerable and on the floor they all pile in for the attack. This is not easy but if you can take out the attack leader, the rest are utterly cowed.

        Geoff Thomson has some excellent work on this and I would heartily recommend his style and thinking. At the very least, practicing what he recommends saved me a hammering once. Again, not east but really worthwhile.

        • June 30, 2011 at 4:16 pm

          Agreed, drop the gobby one and the rest back off. If you have to fight them, one hard punch each rather than concentrating on one of them and letting the others swarm you.
          Geoff thompsons stuff is very valuable.

  4. June 28, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Great to see this getting a run. SCP and a couple of others have material going currently which I’ll also be posting on. Did you see Guido on it also?

    The more exposure these bstds get, the better.

  5. June 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    As a student in the early 70s I used to spend my vacations working in a bottling plant. I can remember several conversations with my work mates about various injuries they had recieved after “watching” a football match. We are not talking Spurs or Leeds here, not even 4th division but Chelmsford.

    Anyway the point is their attitude was purely tribal, “even if you’re outnumbered you’ve gotta wack em one haven’t yea”.

    Their weekend punch up has been constrained by heavy policing, all seater stadiums etc. Where did people think the youthful macho violence would be displaced to? No one actually thinks it can be stamped out do they?

  6. June 29, 2011 at 5:47 am

    The progressives are great believers in the malleability of human nature, no matter how many times they fail.

  7. Paul
    June 29, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Disenfranchised of Buckingham: Their weekend punch up has been constrained by heavy policing, all seater stadiums etc. Where did people think the youthful macho violence would be displaced to? No one actually thinks it can be stamped out do they?

    It’s interesting that you say this, but I’m sure I’ve heard comments from a lot of football hooligans to the effect of “when we were just allowed to get on with it, there was far less trouble” – i.e. if the violence was just confined to certain pre-arranged times hooligans could be hooligans without bringing the general public into it. Now that football matches and the traditional outlets for violence are policed out of existence, you have scumbags hunting around in packs looking for easy prey. Detritus that would never last five minutes in a real mass brawl.

    End of the day, if people want to be Mr Violent, let them all be violent together. Then let them at it, leaving everyone else in peace.

  8. PT
    June 29, 2011 at 9:58 am

    It almost seems, these days, that devolution is a word not just for the gradual political disintegration of a once strong nation. It has also a Darwinian connotation. The useful majority of humanity wants and tries to rub along with its neighbours in a spirit of guarded tolerance. The other sort, a growing minority will, with the ferocity and mindlessness of a freshly-whipped honey badger, attack anything that moves, and quite a lot of things that don’t.

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