Violence is always on the table

Lately I’ve been reading about the latest situation with some calling for insurrection while others say it is not the way as violence does not solve anything. I disagree. Although I believe that violence is a last resort and should only be used in dire circumstances, violence, or the threat of, has solved more things for our species for the last few millennia than anything else. We are a violent species and we respect that violence. It keeps us in line, morally and legally.

As we evolve we shy away from violence. It is no longer the first thought of most of us and we label it as savagery, something to be avoided and look down on those that practice it on others. We make law that frowns on violence even in our own defence and we punish people, with state sanctioned violence which somehow is OK, if they break that law. It is much easier for someone not in the firing line to say ‘I do not believe in violence’. Those being raped and murdered have a different view and it is funny how many people change their minds when the find themselves in a violent situation. So although I agree we should avoid violence where possible it is always an option on the table, just one that is unspoken.

That potential threat of violence is what stops us initiating violence and that is where we are going wrong as a society now. The white hats, us, have put aside our weapons of violence while the black hats, them, have not. They know they have nothing to fear from us. We talk, they play along and then resort to violence, we talk some more and it goes on. Burglars, muggers and murderers see us as chickens in a chicken coop. Easy prey. Even terrorists treat us as easy targets because their real targets, our leaders, are surrounded by people trained in violence to protect them. Go figure. If violence, or the threat of violence, didn’t work then there would be no need for Plod to protect our politicians, yet they seem to want Plod protecting them, why is that? It is easy to see the legal removal of the ability for the general public to be violent has been disastrous for us as a society. We are a bunch of whingey whiny wimps, waiting for our parents to punish the bad people and we fume impotently when they do not.

Look at Israel, prepared to use violence in its defence. It is pilloried by people who whinge and whine if some kid plays football near their house, who are under no threat of death on a daily basis, have never seen a bombed out building with dead children or know several families who have lost loved ones. They read about it in the papers, which we all now are biased, and support the attackers. ‘They have no choice’ is the cry. Funny how violence is acceptable then. Hypocrites.

As an example of the power of violence, just look at the situation yesterday in Tottenham. A gang, 100+ strong, came into the main street and rioted. Plod stood back. In this case well short of the 20 to 1 advantage they like when arresting violent people. The rioters could have killed with impunity and Plod would not have been able to defend you if you had been under attack. With your own ability to defend yourself neutered you would have been easy prey and no risk to the attackers. This shows that violence works. Today, they will not be so wound up, they will be separated and then Plod will swoop, 20 Plod to 1 mob member in dawn raids, Plod armed to the teeth and threatening violence even in houses with children as they arrest the ringleaders. It is a tried and tested technique. It works fine, for all but those injured or who have property damaged by the mob. Tough luck them, they are not the priority. Demonstrating the power of the State is.

Now look at the current situation around the world. Governments are ignoring the people they are supposed to serve. They refuse to work as they have been asked to do, instead doing what they want to further their own agendas. They use violence, or the threat of, against us to control our dissent and we do not respond in kind. That makes us civilised so we pat ourselves on the head whilst the state continues to do what it want, people die and our children’s future is wasted. Voting clearly doesn’t work, appeals and petitions do nothing except allow them to appear to listen and thus appease us. Life goes on and we lose more freedoms every day under the jackboot of socialism.

So how do people get their governments back, let me see, they just did it in Egypt so how did they do that? Oh! OK, then what about Libya, where they are looking at replacing a government that has been in place 40 years. Oh! OK then, the US revolution, The Russian revolution, the French revolution. Anybody have one example of a peaceful revolution from a tyrannical government to a peaceful one.

Look at all the wars we have been involved in. Violence is the method used and do not doubt that for a moment. It is OK for us to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents to introduce democracy, which won’t work there and we don’t truly have here, yet we can’t bring justice to 600+ traitorous quislings to restore democracy in the UK as that would be uncivilised.

Look back, even our recent history shows that violence works;
Look at the Palestinians. Good PR for murderers and terrorists.
Look at Tibet. How is that peaceful approach working out?
Look at Nelson Mandela. A convicted terrorist.
Look at Gerry Adams.
Look at Blair.

Violence is such an effective means of resolving conflict that most governments want a monopoly on its use.
Walter E. Williams

As our whingey whiney people say, we have no choice. We can put up with it, or we can reconsider our options just like that Norwegian nutter did, in a few years he will be recognised in a similar way to the way Enoch Powell is looked upon now. A visionary. I suspect that once our government sees civil violence is on the table, even if it is unused, then and only then will they reconsider their options. The threat of violence being the basis for our entire civilisation. When the threat is removed then and only then do you get people unwilling to compromise or deviate from a destructive course. Sadly, nobody compromises until the option is shown to have teeth. A demonstration of potential is always required followed by the, perhaps unspoken, threat of more before any compromises are considered. It looks to me like that is being shown now. It is sad but inevitable.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826)

I would like there to be a non violent way. Being a Libertarian (nearly) means I actually respect other peoples lives and way of living. I would like there to be a peaceful way but I don’t see one and the longer we take to find one the more damage that is done as they continue unchecked.

As a wise person once said;

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy (1917 – 1963)

Does anyone see a non violent solution to our problem? One that can be done this century?

13 comments for “Violence is always on the table

  1. Voice of Reason
    August 8, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Non-violent changes – how about Greece and Argentina after the generals, or the independence of India (mostly violent on the British side).

    As to your overall question, passive resistance can work sometimes, if one side is willing to take the lumps until the other side gets sick of it. This only works if the other side has at least the pretense of civilization.

    • Paul
      August 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm

      Voice of Reason: Non-violent changes – how about Greece and Argentina after the generals, or the independence of India (mostly violent on the British side).

      This only works if there is a) extremely widespread public support, even within many of the people in the administration and those serving them and b) the ‘enemy’ is reasonable. If it isn’t, lots and lots of people will die.

      • Voice of Reason
        August 9, 2011 at 2:21 am

        Isn’t that what I said?

  2. David
    August 8, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Sorry, completely off topic but of vital importance. Spread the word:

    Norman, 85, was hauled into court. Fearing (rightly) that he would be stitched up, Norman used his mobile phone to record the proceedings. Someone noticed and told the judge. This was such an affront to the court that the judge gaoled him for contempt of court.

    Ordinarily, contempt of court warrants a few hours in a cold cell to “think about what you did”. Most people send an apology to the court, they are released, and the case gets underway again.

    In Norman’s case, they gaoled him for SIX MONTHS!

    He has been denied visitors, pens, paper, a hospital visit, and this old man, in no condition to survive and thrive is locked up for 23 1/2 hours a day…

    • August 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm


  3. Paul
    August 8, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Lord T: Look at Gerry Adams.

    Ulster is still British. Your point?

    • August 8, 2011 at 5:21 pm

      Actually, for all the campaign of violence, the IRA did not achieve its objective. In that sense, Gerry Adams failed.

      • Paul
        August 8, 2011 at 5:26 pm


        • Lord T
          August 8, 2011 at 7:08 pm

          He is a ‘respected’ politician making government policy and moving his country forward in a way denied to English people.

          I think he has done better than you imply.

          • Paul
            August 8, 2011 at 10:26 pm

            He has failed in his objective though, to bring about a United Ireland by force. No Surrender.

          • Lord T
            August 9, 2011 at 3:19 pm

            OK. He got second prize though. Still up there on the winner podium in my book and from there the game is still going on.

  4. August 9, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    A non-violent option? Well, the system seems to be edging closer and closer to the brink, so why not give it a bloody good push in the back (by voting for idiots) and let it speed its own destruction? The sooner it’s wrecked the sooner sanity gets a say in the rebuild.

    • Lord T
      August 9, 2011 at 3:20 pm

      Voting for idiots.

      Thats what we did last time. It seems to be working just fine.

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