Society Has No Obligation To ‘Respect Your Religion’…

Muslim students could be forced to abandon hopes of a university place under the new fees and loans regime which will come into place next year.

And so this policy is ‘discriminatory’. Of course…

The Government’s plan to increase tuition fees and implement higher rates of interest on loans means many young Muslims will be deterred from applying to university until a scheme is put in place that allows them to finance their degrees in a way that complies with Islamic law.

So, put a scheme in place, and quit whining!

A spokesman for the Federation of Student Islamic Societies (FOSIS) called the rate increase a “pressing issue”.”Under Islamic law interest is seen as something that is prohibited,” he said.

“Previously, the interest was at the market rate of inflation. The problem now is that the interest is above the market rate. Because the rate of interest is above the rate of inflation, it is quite blatant usury.”

Too bad. That’s the dilemma of being religious, either break the rules and make an accommodation with your god or your conscience, or obey the rules and go without something.

The FOSIS said it was working with the NUS to formulate a solution. One idea being considered is a new kind of loan scheme which could see education “rented” in a similar manner to Islamic mortgages, where banks buy properties and then lease them to the customer in a rental agreement.

Change is not likely to be quick, however, and in the meantime university will be unattainable for some Muslim young people who are unable to turn to family or friends for funding.

Life is full of choices. This is one.

Sympathy: *not found*

15 comments for “Society Has No Obligation To ‘Respect Your Religion’…

  1. ivan
    August 25, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Maybe if they integrated into our society they would have much less of a problem.

  2. Henry Crun
    August 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Does the Islamic Bank of Britain not do Student Loans?

    Although “interest” is deemed un-Islamic, I would take issue of the IBB’s Home Purchase Plan. According to the IBB website, “The Purchase Plan is based on the accepted and widely used Islamic financing principles of Ijara (leasing) and Diminishing Musharaka (reducing partnership).

    For example, the bank may contribute 60% and you 40% of the purchase price. Over a period of up to 30 years, you will make monthly purchase instalments through which the Bank will sell its share (60%) of the home to you. With each instalment paid, the Bank’s share in the property diminishes while your share correspondingly increases.”

    The HPP rental portion has a Rental Rate of 4.49% which is defined as the Base Rate + Bank’s Margin.

    Now I don’t know much, but isn’t that the same as infidel banks charging interest?

    • August 26, 2011 at 7:33 am

      I guess the little crescent moon on the cheques makes it ok…

  3. john in cheshire
    August 25, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Fewer muslims in University might just have the effect of returning a bit of the civilised tolerance that has been lost since they began mouthing off at every perceived slight. From what I have heard, it is a nightmare for any normal students who have a run-in with muslims because the University personnel always side with the muslims.

    • Damo
      August 25, 2011 at 5:03 pm

      They are plenty of non muslims in universities who mouth off at ever perceived slight.

      • August 26, 2011 at 7:31 am

        Yes, other ‘identity groups’. We should pay their claimed grievances as much attention, i.e. none.

  4. August 25, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    plan to increase tuition fees and implement higher rates of interest on loans

    I think it would not just be young Muslims who’ll find it tough.

    • August 26, 2011 at 7:30 am

      Indeed!

  5. August 25, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Julia, that is absolutely splendid news, for the reasons that JiC gives.

    Anyway, do they not realise you are allowed to just pay the fees up front? You can take out a loan from The Islamic Bank Of Britain, as Henry suggests (to the extent that such a thing exists), and no, of course it is not interest, it’s rent on money or something.

    Or the govt could have a simple non-interest system, whereby Muslims don’t need to pay interest at all but just pay extra 10% income tax for the rest of their lives.

    • August 26, 2011 at 7:32 am

      Exactly! Just another way to claim victimhood, though.

  6. August 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Why is there a scrambling for a solution, when there is no problem? Islamic law does not apply in the UK. It is an irrelevance. Nobody needs to comply with Islamic law here any more than they need pay the slightest attention to what the Pope decrees.

    If there are those who want to comply with another country’s laws, that’s up to them. None of the rest of us have any obligation to follow suit.

    • Humph
      August 26, 2011 at 3:42 pm

      Because we have lost our balls.

      Why is it that we in this country (Muslims, Christians, atheists, whatever) always seem to be falling over ourselves to follow the letter of the law? Why are we so damn anal about ensuring our fruit & veg all looks the bloody same and conforms to EU dictats. No-one on the continent seems to give a fuck about this. Anyway, old argument I know.

      My point is, I have lived and worked twice in the Middle East, both times in fairly significant local companies completely Arab owned and in both cases with a large amount of cash. Did they care about placing $500m on deposit and earning vast amounts of interest? Did they fuck.

      Interesting in the Indepisspot article there is this quote “Under some interpretations of Islamic law, the acquisition of loans – particularly those which accrue interest – is forbidden.” Then later, some idiot oxygen thief comes up with “The fees are the reason I’m having doubts. I’m Muslim and loans are against my religion.” Well now Mo, why don’t you just stop and consider for one moment that (a) your objection to incurring and paying interest, & therefore jeopardising your education, is purely down to the fact that you were born into a Muslim family, (b) the whole notion of interest being haram and replacing it with some other made up forms of quasi-interest is totally absurd and preposterous, (c) the Arabs in the Gulf don’t give a shit about this. In any case, what Mo is saying is bollocks anyway as loans are in no way forbidden under Islam.

      While we’re on the subject, the same goes for alcohol, drugs, sex before marriage, homosexuality and on and on in the Gulf. I’m talking about two of the more conservative Arab countries here too, not that den of iniquity which calls itself Dubai. They just live their lives however the hell they want, which is fine by me, but don’t put up this hypocritical sham of “Islam says this and says that”, and then get all offended about something so mundane as charging interest on a loan.

      Tell you what Mo, why don’t you just formulate your own interpretation of the Qu’ran, you know, one which lets you pay (or receive) interest on loans and deposits, one which doesn’t ignorantly demonise pigs and makes you miss out on bacon sarnies, one which says actually yeah, a beer every now and then is fine, one which doesn’t actually condone beating women? And. So. On. Most Muslisms I’ve known interpret what the hell they want, maybe because living under the strict code of Islam is actually pretty shit.

      This sort of bullshit doesn’t normally mobilise me into ranting about Islam as I’ve lived with the total hypocrisy of it first hand for a couple of years. But really, UK Muslims should just stop getting ‘offended’ or having their edukashun put at risk, or whatever, because they just can’t stop themselves being big fucking babies. It really is just fucking pathetic.

  7. August 25, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Given that fees have been charged for University places since the beginnings of the Blair government, I would have thought that an adequate arrangement would be in place by now. All the new arrangements require is more cash per year, the exact amount depending on course and institution so surely taking the existing provision and scaling up is not impossible, given the two year lead time that they had?

    • Andrew
      August 26, 2011 at 2:01 am

      “All the new arrangements require is more cash per year, the exact amount depending on course and institution so surely taking the existing provision and scaling up is not impossible, given the two year lead time that they had?”

      But that wouldn’t let them attack those nasty tories, would it?

      • August 26, 2011 at 7:32 am

        😆

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