More on Say No to the Big Three

My first ungracious reaction to Cameron pretending that the UK’s interests come first was “you lying dog”.

The Slog wrote:

EU centrals banks are, I see, reduced to laundering money through the IMF for bailout lending. And Portugal’s six biggest banks give the government there a ‘one-off’ payment to write off this year’s deficit expansion.

That’ll be the same one-off payment they gave them last year, then.  A descent into madness, I’m afraid…all in De Nile without a paddle….

Julesaitch said:

Easy. Next time don’t vote for any political party. Vote for an independent candidate. A parliament made up only of independents would place the voter right back in the driving seat where they belong.

Now isn’t that interesting because it is precisely what we’re advocating.  The stick-it note is brilliant because there’s no control over it.  You might be in a library and as you get up to leave, the stick-it note accidentally remains behind.  No defacing, no vandalism, no organized protest, no handle anyone can get on you.

You might whisper it to the person on the train near you or slip it into an otherwise innocuous question at a business meeting.  “In the light of this movement for Saying No to the Big Three parties at next year’s council elections, do we have a policy on that?  Do we fear it.”

Or whatever.  In questions to the Prime Minister, it could be slipped in.  Talkback radio is a great medium.  You phone up to answer the quiz question and it just slips out.

Or you can do as I did on Saturday.  I waited until the boss was downstairs with me and the shop was crowded and then asked her what she thought of this campaign against the Big Three?  She was in the middle of a job but came back two minutes later and asked what I was talking about.

I explained simply and that’s what we must always do – keep it simple.  Naturally, everyone in the shop heard it.  There were 18 to 20 in there at the time.  One started to protest, saying there’d be chaos but another rebutted that with our own litany of what’s wrong and that no one cares for us, the common man.  One said he’d once voted for the Monster Raving Loony Party and that he missed Lord Sutch so well done and good luck with this campaign.

The boss said, “You do like stirring, don’t you?”

There were many not speaking who were nodding or at least not looking away in disgust.  There might have been a few who hadn’t considered it.  One person objected.  “But who else is there to vote for?”

“Look at your own constituency – who the independents are or it could be one of the other parties. The main thing is that you are being ripped off by those in Westminster now and it hasn’t changed for years.

No one took issue with that – no one.  However, I got off the topic quickly as it doesn’t do to overdo it.  That’s one little man on a Saturday.  Imagine if ten thousand did this up and down the country.

15 comments for “More on Say No to the Big Three

  1. December 6, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    I admire your enthusiasm, James, but I’m afraid I’ve given up. Most people are slaves and are happy to be. That’s a sad fact.

  2. December 6, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    My flabber was ghasted at what Cameron said the other day.

    He prattled on about “legally binding commitment on Parliament to offer a referendum if X Y or Z happens” (with him as referee on what X Y and Z are, and whether they’ve happened) when any fule kno that a Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments, and no Parliament can be bound by its predecessors. There is no such thing, in public law, as a self-imposed legally binding commitment on the UK Parliament, i.e. he can merrily repeal that Act they passed last year if he wants and that is the end of the matter.

  3. December 6, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    I haven’t given up. I’ll plug guerilla cultural war this way happily, but what about a Facebook page to link to? Who will do it?

  4. David
    December 6, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Brilliant stuff James and you’re absolutely right about not over egging the pudding. Keeping it succinct and adding a light touch of humour with an undercurrent of seriousness is the way to win people over, as is just casually dropping it into a conversation.

    The killer though is your ‘what do you think of this campaign against the Big Three’? A classic Saul Alinsky tactic is to make out that your campaign is huge. By phrasing it the way you have you’re telling the person you’re speaking to that that they’re behind the curve; everyone is taking about saying no to the big 3 – ‘haven’t you heard? Oh yes, people are going to vote for Independents, UKIP or the BNP, they’ve had enough of the big 3′.

    So, are you going with the sticker option then? Here’s an idea for a leaflet:

    Sick of the Lib/Lab/Con party?

    Sick of being lied to over the EU?

    Still waiting for that promised referendum?

    Do you feel that the country’s problems are being deliberately engineered? Sick of being unable to openly dicuss them due to Zanu Labour’s’ hate crime’ laws (which the Coalition’s appears in no hurry to overturn).

    Britannia is in the last chance saloon. Give someone else a chance to put things right. Vote for an independent candidate, UKIP, the BNP or ANYONE that isn’t part of the same old corrupt and anti democratic system that has brought this country to its knees.

    Let’s get our country back on its feet and build a real British future for our children.

  5. Mudplugger
    December 6, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    There are opportunities coming up before the next GE when, as well as local elections, some will be electing Police Commissioners and some will be electing city mayors too. Any candidates with links to the Big 3 should be rejected.

    If the ‘Say No To The Big 3’ campaign could be fully functional by then, it would scare the Big 3 shitless for 2015, thus possibly achieving some objectives rather sooner.

  6. December 6, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Clearly there needs to be a page with a statement such as the one above from David or else just five or six words on the page. There needs to be a page with a simple domain.

    All the debate over that page should be now. Once that is done, then Facebook, Twitter, whatever come in. Stickers are nice but cost bikkies – who will pay?

    This is not going to work unless people believe it and are prepared to bring it into conversations and do these things like leaving post-it notes around. What I’m lacking at this point is the vision to see the steps in implementing this.

    We probably need some lurkers who read this who are professionals to email us and give an idea of a gameplan. After all, we’re only talking about the power base in the United Kingdom, aren’t we? Nothing special. 😉

  7. David
    December 6, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    I’m happy to put up some cash if needed and come up with some design ideas. Do you think that all flyers, stickers, etc should be anonymous so TPTB don’t come down hard on OoL or any other group?

    We could all print stickers on our home computers. Perhaps the wording should be kept the same so the message is totally clear and absorbed by people.

  8. Jeremy Poynton
    December 6, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    A while back, when Moron Brown was still in charge, I filled my van up and it was over £100 for the first time. I came out of the shop, held up the bill, and pointed at, saying loudly

    “My first £100 tank of diesel. Thanks, Gordon”.

    Got a loud cheer. No dissenters. People can be woken up, they just often need a little nudge.

    Independent Councillors now run Frome Town Council. Swept all before them. Indeed, I am sure that if we are to heal our democracy, we must start from the bottom up, and move it from there.

    • David
      December 7, 2011 at 7:15 am

      Totally agree with the bottom up approach, and another lever with which to do it is to let them know that if they continue to do the wrong thing by us – the people – then they WILL be punished through a court of the people once the game is up. Carrot and stick – good cop bad cop.

  9. December 6, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Lord T wrote something on another post about no one having to bell the cat. No one needs a Guido mask, no one is ever caught doing anything naughty. Quick opinions suddenly expressed on a bus: “I’m sick of it, I’m not voting for any of the bstds,” or similar, thousands doing this in their own way, at the time they think safest. People with jobs to protect do it when there’s no risk of it coming home to them.

    Humour and caricatures can be used and go viral on the web, esp. with youtubes but nothing offensive, all within our capability to do. Then there’s faux codes, as they used to do with acid house raves, people suddenly congregating for no reason, nothing to pin on them.

    Songs can go viral – someone with a guitar and some songwriting ability puts together a ditty everyone sings or hums. The upsetting thing is the massive civil disobedience without any law even looking like being broken.

  10. December 7, 2011 at 7:51 am

    I like the approach, James, especially resisting the temptation to keep going at it like a bull at a gate (not something I’m all that good at, I’m afraid to say, but I’m far enough away not to bugger things up 😉 ). Landslides start with a few moving pebbles that move just a few more each.

  11. December 7, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Churchmouse comes up with another good idea which would help the effort:

    With that in mind, below are sites for nationally made goods in five different countries:

    – United Kingdom:

    – France: Madine-France, La Fabrique Hexagonale

    – United States: How Americans Can Buy American,

    – Canada: Made in Canada

    – Australia:, Down Under On-line,

    • December 7, 2011 at 11:38 am

      Thanks, James — much appreciated. More on this coming up tonight (Dec. 7).

  12. December 7, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Great stuff James. Grassroots is just the way to go. The Tea Party in the US exploded once simple ideas gained some traction amongst the grassroots. One of the misconceptions is that the Tea Party is a party, when the reality is it’s a movement – one that goes shopping for a candidate with local chapters.

    I’ve recently come to the conclusion that modern politicians respond to who controls their place at the trough. Right now that is the party machine and the whips. However, move the battle ground to the local constituency and suddenly the place at the trough lies firmly within our hands. If this notion becomes more widespread even some in the big 3 could come to heel, telling their party leaders there’s someone with more power than them.

    The situation we find ourselves in is partly down to the apathy of the public. I think that in turn comes from a notion that they hold that it will make no difference. This problem could change with something like this

    This first step could simply get them talking about it which could in turn develop into a mindset where they can think about making it work.

    One thing I would advise is prepare for the onlsaught. There’s a saying “if you’re taking flak – you’re near the target”. A popular technique is the organised attempts at shouting down your argument. It’s organised and it has its basis in hard left politics. The aim is to make you feel wrong, weak and inconsequential as well as running that Alinskyite tactic of creating a sense of size in those doing the shouting.

    For those who are thinking about this, read Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, not to break the law or anything like that but to understand where your opponents will come at you from. Not only that, the principles within it can work in both directions.

  13. December 7, 2011 at 11:40 am

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