Electroshock of minors

The following [H/T IPJ] is contained within a Draft Bill prepared by the Western Australian Mental Health Commission:

* CHILDREN OF ANY AGE TO CONSENT TO STERILISATION: If a psychiatrist decides that a child (under 18 years) has sufficient maturity, he or she will be able to consent to sterilisation. Parental consent will not be needed. Only after the sterilisation procedure has been performed does it have to be reported and then only to the Chief Psychiatrist. [Pages: 135 & 136 of the Draft Mental Health Bill 2011]

* 12 YEAR OLDS WILL BE ABLE TO CONSENT TO PSYCHOSURGERY: Banned in N.S.W. and the N.T., psychosurgery irreversibly damages the brain by surgery, burning or inserting electrodes. This draft bill proposes to allow a 12 year old child, if considered to be sufficiently mature by a psychiatrist, to be able to consent to psychosurgery. Once the child has consented it goes before the Mental Health Tribunal (MHT) for approval. Parental consent is also not needed for the MHT to approve the psychosurgery. [Pages: 108, 109, 110, 197,198, 199, 213]

* 12 YEAR OLDS WILL BE ABLE TO CONSENT TO ELECTROSHOCK (ECT): Electroshock is hundreds of volts of electricity to the head. Any child aged 12 and over, whom a child and adolescent psychiatrist decides is “mature” enough, will be able to consent to electroshock. Also, once consent is given, there is no requirement for parents or anyone, including the MHT, to approve the electroshock. Electroshock should be banned. Its use on the elderly, pregnant women and children is especially destructive. [Pages: 100, 101, 103, 104, 194, 105]

* RESTRAINT AND SECLUSION OF CHILDREN: Children can be restrained in a psychiatric institution, with the use of mechanical restraint (manacles, belts, straps etc.) and bodily force. Chemical restraint – the use of psychiatric drugs to subdue and control the person – is not covered in the draft bill, so there are no legal safeguards to prevent its application. Death can result from all forms of restraint. [Pages: 122, 121, 113, 246]

* INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT OF CHILDREN: A psychiatrist can involuntarily detain any child for up to 14 days if “suspected” of mental illness. Parents will not be able to discharge their child during this period and take them home. The psychiatrist can then make a “continuation order” to continue the detainment for up to 3 months and thereafter for each subsequent 3 month period. During detainment, the child could be drugged, restrained, secluded, given electroshock if over 12 and could be put into a ward with adults. Parental consent is not required to continue the detainment or for any treatment, including the child being placed on a legal order to continue to receive drugs at home. The MHT hold hearings on the detainment of a child, but there is no guarantee the child will be able to go home. In 2010/11 there were 1,248 hearings for all ages and only 58 people had their status changed from involuntary to voluntary. [Pages: 21, 22, 35, 19, 107, 36, 53, 54, 183 -185, 190, 191, 213, 214,18, 46, 47, 48, 65, 66, 70, 73, 75-77]

* WHO WILL BE ABLE TO DETAIN A CHILD IS NOT FULLY KNOWN: An “authorised mental health practitioner” can also detain a child or adult in the draft bill. Exactly who an authorised mental health practitioner is, is not defined by the draft bill. The Chief Psychiatrist can literally give anyone or any profession the power to detain someone just because he considers they are qualified and by publishing the decision in the Gazette. This clause must be removed from the Draft Mental Health Bill 2011. Only a judge or magistrate should have the power to order someone be detained, and only with full legal representation for the person facing depravation of liberty [Pages: 246, 247, 21, 22]

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DRAFT BILL?: The W.A. Mental Health Commission (MHC) were responsible for writing the Draft Mental Health Bill 2011, with Mental Health Commissioner and clinical psychologist, Mr Eddie Bartnik overseeing the process.

There is a blurb which goes with it from the whistleblower [enquiries@athena.nsw.edu.au]:

If you don’t like what you read below you have until the 9th March, 2012 to send a letter/submission to the Mental Health Commission and others stating exactly what you think.

Email: on contactus@mentalhealth.wa.gov.au or Mail: GPO Box X2299 Perth Business Centre, W.A. 6847.

Regular readers at my place will know the posts on the psychological old boys network and whom it is conencted with, which chooses outposts for its experimentation, e.g. Canada, e.g. WA, e.g. Melbourne [Selwyn Leeks], e.g. NZ. This is how they do it. If it becomes mainstream practice, then it’s rolled out in the bigger nations, e.g. EU, US.

People, this is bad. This is a hydra which never sleeps, never stops undermining.

8 comments for “Electroshock of minors

  1. Voice of Reason
    March 7, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    And the fact that an awful lot of what passes for psychiatry and psychology is not supported at all by serious studies means that they are further subjecting children to complete quackery.

    • March 12, 2012 at 8:31 am

      Um, NO.

      In fact, hell, No.

      Over the last two or three decades there has been this thing called (ahem) Double Blind Trials. Like for Aspirin… give half the bunch placebos, the other lot what you think will work, and don’t tell them or the doctor which is which.

      Only way to get rid of this thing called hope… or the placebo effect.

      Sounding cynical? OK… Now for some data.

      ECT at proper dose works better than low dose ECT. Both work better than sham ECT.

      ECT at too high a dose causes more memory loss than proper dose, and low dose causes about the same as proper dose. Sham ECT doesn’t

      Antidepressants work better than placebo for anxiety disorders and mood disorders (I’m shortening that statement — I spend a fair amount of my professional life reviewing said studies).

      Simple, cheap, and manualised therapies work better than long and non scripted therapies such as psychotherapy. It looks like computerised therapy works almost as well.

      Psychosurgery generally causes more side effects than benefits.

      If you don’t beleive me… look up Clinical Evidence, The Cochrane collaberation. We use the same clinical tools in psychiatry as a cardiologist uses to sort out what works and what does not.

      Now for the kiddies…

      Behaviour Therapy generally works. Meds less so (exceptions include stimulants for ADHD, and I mean real ADHD — unable to sit still, unable to attend to friends, unable to learn, miserable because your classmates are getting you to do stupid things that get you into trouble).

      Family therapy helps for some things.

      Congnitive therapy, particulary in groups, helps adolsecents. As people get more like adults, the medications become more useful.

      On ECT for kids, I used to run an ECT service. In the two centres in NZ I have worked, I have never seen a kid have ECT. Most ECT is used in the very old — where the drugs we usually use (yes, I’m talking about modern antidepressants such as fluoxetine (Prozac) etc) are more dangerous than ECT.


      Everything I’ve said has not changed much for the last 10 or 20 years. Moreover, what we do generally works.

      So kindly do not call those treating the mad, the sad and the bloody desperate quacks. We use this thing called science. And… we are aware that one in two of us will have some form of mental illness during our lives,

      • Voice of Reason
        March 12, 2012 at 10:52 pm

        Read about some of the therapies used by psychologists, none of which have been tested in double-blind trials. In addition, recent careful studies on depression, using anti-depressants with and without verbal counselling, showed that that there was no difference.

        In addition, there are some recent studies that seem to show that anti-depressants are no better than placebo for mild-to-moderate depression.

  2. Tattyfalarr
    March 7, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    So kids, you wanna be treated like grown-ups ? Sick of parents interfering in your lives ?

    You got it. Enjoy. 😐

  3. March 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    This is like a time warp back to the bad old days of huge mental institutions and involuntary lobotomies and other such quack butchery.

    • March 7, 2012 at 9:51 pm

      Not forgetting the bad old days of forced sterilization of Aboriginal women. I thought that the Australian government had already apologized for that and promised that no such thing could possibly happen again.

      • March 8, 2012 at 5:11 am

        “Honest. We wouldn’t.” They say. Then the buggers turn round and wave two fingers at everyone saying “And I had my fingers crossed all the time!

        Lying, cheating, eugenics-loving fabian fuckwits.

  4. WAKE UP
    March 12, 2012 at 2:09 am

    These bastards are really coming for our children, aren’t they. Incipient paedophiles, the lot of them.

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