An effective policy

For years now the state has been doing its level best to disarm the population, leaving only the enforcers and criminals with weapons. Every abuse of weapons was taken as an excuse to tighten up the law, the Hungerford massacre and the Dunblane massacre finally lead to the 1997 firearms act which pretty much outlawed the carrying of firearms in the UK, along with the Knives act of the same year which outlawed so called combat knives on top of the offensive weapons act of 1996, which pretty much did for anyone carrying a bladed weapon. Indeed anyone carrying a folding knife, scissors, plastic knife, multi-tool, or other bladed object can be detained and searched, and the defendant may have to wait weeks or months for a trial or other disposition of his case by the public prosecutor.

And it’s worked…


MUGGINGS and street robberies rose by eight per cent last year despite an overall reduction in crime, figures revealed yesterday.
Pickpocketing, bag and phone-snatching soared by 13 per cent and knifepoint robberies went up nine per cent. The category of theft from the person increased by an alarming 10 per cent – the biggest year-on-year increase in a decade.
The number of Britons falling victim to any crime rose from just under one in 20 in 2010 to almost one in 16.
But total recorded crime fell three per cent, according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales.
Campaigners voiced fears that police cash cuts contributed to the rise in street crime and were leaving forces powerless to stop it.
David Hanson, Shadow Policing Minister, said the Coalition was “taking huge risks” by imposing budget cuts that will cost the jobs of 16,000 officers.
He said: “These figures show some very concerning rises. David Cameron is taking huge risks. Despite promises to protect the front line, we know that thousands of officers have already been taken out of 999
response teams, neighbourhood teams and traffic units.
The Government is taking risks with crime and people’s personal safety.

Indeed they have, they’ve effectively removed peoples rights to carry anything useful to defend themselves should the need arise. So, with cutbacks in the police and other areas of law enforcement, what’s happened is now only the criminals are armed. It isn’t helped by the fact that if anyone does defend themselves, they are frequently charged with an offence themselves. Remember Cecil Coley, arrested by police on suspicion of murder after taking on two intruders, who tried to rob his flower shop? That’s pretty much what successive government legislation in the nanny state has lead us too. Instead of a congratulations and a careful check of the facts just in case, it’s an “I’m arresting you and thank you for your DNA sample.”

It’s my belief that crime would fall if people could carry weapons, yes there are risks, Hungerford and Dunblane tell us that, though if the teachers or a member of public been armed as well, would the gunmen have gotten so far or caused so much grief?

There has to be balance to be sure, we don’t want anyone with a record of violence holding guns legally nor anyone on the mental register, though a history of Raoul Moat will tell you how easy it is for someone like that to get them anyway.

It just strikes me that the only reason the government banned knives and firearms is because they feared we’d end up using them on the government.

An armed society would be a more polite society.

13 comments for “An effective policy

  1. David A. Evans
    April 20, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    It just strikes me that the only reason the government banned knives and firearms is because they feared we’d end up using them on the government.

    Which is exactly why they’re trying to disarm the septics too.

    I know you hear of incidents in the USA but when you consider the size of population & the number of guns around, they’re few & far between.

  2. Dave_G
    April 20, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    A loose sock, a pocket full of 2p pieces. A paper bag full of pepper. A belt that can double as a slingshot….. it just takes a little imagination.

  3. DerekP
    April 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I don’t usually post the same comment at OoL as at QuietMan’s homesite, but this is an issue where our ‘leaders’ effective removal (or re-definition, possibly even criminalisation) of the right of self-defence has obviously caused much crime and damage to our society (while probably giving more power to those ‘leaders’ by removing power from us).

    “Campaigners voiced fears that police cash cuts contributed to the rise in street crime and were leaving forces powerless to stop it.”

    Yeah, sure, give the police more cash so that when a mugger attacks me the police will immediately stop him? I really don’t think so – it’ll be just me and the armed mugger, won’t it?

    Criminals know:
    – their victims have been disarmed;
    – if the victims fight back the police will arrest the victims;
    – victim’s resistance has successfully been used as mitigation (for God’s sake!!);
    – sentencing is harsher (increasingly custodial) for those who express dissatisfaction with our Elites’ policies, than it is for those who commit violent crimes (repeat ‘suspended’ sentences).

  4. Mudplugger
    April 20, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    There are more guns in private hands in Switzerland than pretty much anywhere else – taken home after military training – yet that country has little or no gun-crime.

    Since Draconian firearms restrictions have been applied in the UK, only the crooks carry guns – boy, that was a smart idea, wasn’t it.

    No police force can prevent crime, but a potentially armed citizenry can have a major effect on the criminals’ calculated gamble, hence eliminating much personal-violence crime before it even happens. It’s called crime prevention, something our impotent and politically-correct Plod insist they already do – oh yeah !

    • Single Acts of Tyranny
      April 21, 2012 at 8:41 am

      Yep, burglars are pretty thin on the ground in Switzerland as well. Would you risk meeting a householder armed with his assualt rifle to pinch a DVD player?

      • Mudplugger
        April 21, 2012 at 4:35 pm

        As a postscript – some toe-rag attempted to break into my detached garage last Monday night. He managed to open the door but then encountered the trip-wire, which triggers a blank shot-gun cartridge into an oil-drum.

        Needless to say, he immediately fled into the night – I’m sure you can still see a faint brown stain the full 200yd length of my driveway….

        Also, needless to say, I have not reported this event to incompetent Plod, as I am sure they will show more negative interest in my successful crime-prevention approach than in locating the failed villain, who may need extensive counselling for his recent self-induced trauma.

  5. Jeff Wood
    April 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I could go on about this for some time, in learned terms, but Mudplugger has it.

    It is still less than a century since there were no restrictions on UK firearms ownership, and the right of self-defence was taken for granted.

    An incident rarely remembered now is the failed jewellery robbery, and murder of a young lad, which led to the siege of Sydney Street. The Siege is recalled, but one aspect not.

    The local police, most of whom had served in the First War, reacted at once to the news that there were armed villains on the loose. However, the gun cupboard was locked and the key was missing. What the cops did was go out into the street and ask members of the public if by chance they had their personal handguns about them. Several did, and others joined the posse when the cops had been armed.

    The armed group of police and public cornered the killers, and surrounded them in a house until the Army turned up to deal with the matter, a bit messily if I recall aright.

    Now, I live on the Continent, and armed defence of the home is generally taken for granted. At some point I will ask for a firearms certificate again, and maybe jump through hoops to get a handgun or two for the first time since the post-Dunblane confiscations. Since 1997, I have felt improperly dressed.

    A few locals know I was a pistol instructor once, but I will resist getting sucked back into that commitment on grounds of language deficiency, at least for as long as I can.

  6. April 21, 2012 at 6:33 am

    “So, with cutbacks in the police and other areas of law enforcement…”

    Oh, don’t worry. They’ll always be able to rush to the scene of the most heinous of crimes. 👿

  7. Single Acts of Tyranny
    April 21, 2012 at 8:45 am

    This explains why we need the right of self-defence in a rather amusing way

  8. Maaarrghk!
    April 23, 2012 at 6:24 am

    Not sure about Hungerford, but Dunblane was very much a failure of the system, or rather those within it.

    Ryans license was actually invalid as he had given false information when he applied for its renewall, claiming to be a member of a couple of local gun clubs, both of which had warned the Police about him. The local fire-arms officer was going to refuse his application, but was over-ruled by the local Police chief – the chap who resigned on the day of the massacre.

  9. Greg Tingey
    April 23, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    VERY interesting piece in the origibal article.
    That violent crime, and especially personal robbery is on the increase, but overall crime is dropping.
    Any further comments on that?

    Re. firearms ownership.
    It depends on the country.
    As someone said look at Switzerland – up to the eyballs in gubs, and virtually no gun crime or casual killing.
    Now look at the USSA … erm, err …..

  10. Maaarrghk!
    April 24, 2012 at 5:31 am

    But just look at the USA Greg – it’s full of Americans, so what do you expect! :mrgreen:

    Seriously, I do agree about Switzerland and some of the Scandanavian countries. I know that some kid in Finland did “a Columbine” a couple of years back, but thankfully lawmakers there seem to have ignored the dis-armament lobby.

    I read many years ago that the rot started here just after WW1 – we had just seen a successful “workers revolution” in Russia and we had all those men returning home from the trenches, fully trained and wanting a Land Fit For Heroes.

    Our leaders wanted them back in those mines, mills and factories ASAP and no ideas above your station. They were probably crapping themselves.

    Of course, these were the very early days of Soviet Russia and not much news got out, so for many at that time it would have seemed that this new fangled communism was working. We were yet to see the famine in the Ukraine, the purges and the gulag.

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