Be careful what you wish for…

The EUphiles within the Tory party must be getting a little desperate if they are thinking of allowing an in or out referendum on the EU.


THE Conservatives WILL promise an in/out EU referendum at the next general election, a Tory MP claimed today. Mark Reckless said that David Cameron’s party would make a clear manifesto commitment in 2015 to holding a vote on UK membership.
There has recently been growing pressure for political leaders to seize the opportunity presented by the Eurozone crisis and possible break-up of the single currency for Britain to re-examine its relationship with the continent.
Previous speculation suggested the Tories could go into the 2015 general election offering a vote on a renegotiation of powers from Brussels, but not on staying in or getting out entirely.
However, Mr Reckless stated that an in/out vote is exactly what the Conservatives would be offering.
“I believe my party will go into the next election committed to an in/out referendum on Europe,” he said.

Hands up all here who believe such a referendum will be held in a responsible, fair and unbiased way by media and politicians? Anyone?

A few years ago I was of the belief that a referendum to correct the con that was the original referendum to join the EEC. Had we known then what we know now I doubt we’d be in the EU now, but that’s water under the bridge, we know Heath lied and Wilson misled, the EEC was always about political power, not a trade cartel.

As it is today you can more or less predict that the EU will pull all the stops out to prevent the UK one of its net payers leaving and a referendum is just the key to stop the “Out” movement in its tracks for a generation at least. In the past in other countries the EU has bought air time, even media companies to spread its message and has deliberately lied about what would happen if the votes did not go their way. They wouldn’t even have to try too hard with the likes of the BBC anyway plus they have a lot of bought politicians on their books too, yes we’re looking at you Cleggy boy and you Ken Clarke.

Frankly the “Out” campaign would struggle to get its message over it would be financially overwhelmed by the EU’s cash and there’s also the sneaking feeling that if we did vote to leave we’d be asked again (and again) to make sure.

What we need is a party to simply state on its manifesto that it will take us out and have the politicians with balls to do it.

That’s why I expect at the next general election that all we’ll be offered is a vote winning con.

The EU will never allow us to vote to leave.

14 comments for “Be careful what you wish for…

  1. graham wood
    May 14, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    “What we need is a party to simply state on its manifesto that it will take us out and have the politicians with balls to do it.”

    Absolutely right and good summary. Nobody, but nobody, including the ‘Tory faithful’ if there are any left at the time of the next election, should have any confidence in any promise from these smug, self serving wasters.
    “Cast iron” of recent memory has induced a measure of “referendum fatigue” all round, I think. The plain fact is that nobody could give a toss for the Cameron/Cleg duo or credit them with an ounce of trustworthiness.
    But it now seems inevitable that the EU crisis will soon break, and we will be overtaken bny eurozone events. It will be interesting to see how this will impact on British politics when (not if) Greece pulls out.
    The party you refer to must be UKIP – if only they would wake up, and put some beef into their politics.

  2. john in cheshire
    May 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    QM, When I heard the rumours of a referendum, I was overcome with foreboding. Because, as you say, the traitors in our country(lab,lib,con) and the EU propaganda machine (which includes the bbc) will flood the country with tales of armageddon if we leave. And a majority of our nation will heed their lies and vote to stay. So, I agree with you that the only way we will ever get out of this prison is for a brave man, with a few trusted and clever partners, to unilaterally take us out. The problem is finding this man.

  3. Mike Spilligan
    May 14, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Would anyone – anyone with just a few molecules of grey matter – trust Cameron again?

    • May 15, 2012 at 7:50 am

      Didn’t trust the fucker in the first place.

  4. Mudplugger
    May 14, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Those of us old enough to remember, and have voted in, the 1975 Stay-In Referendum will recall how the multi-party ‘forces of good’ were all marshalled on the IN side, while the ‘forces of supposed evil’ were cunningly placed on the OUT side.

    Add to that the huge but secret funding for the Stay-In campaign from the CIA (still the Cold War, remember, they felt they needed Britain as an ‘agent’ against Red infiltration in Europe), and it was a surprise that the OUT vote raised as many as one third.

    Times may be different, people may be wiser, but the same blend of threats, lies and manipulation will be applied if ever the IN/OUT option were to be offered.

    But, of course, referenda are only ever given willingly if the grantors can be confident of the outcome they require – unless it’s Ireland, where repetition until bored is the preferred approach.

    One thing has not changed. I voted OUT in 1975, I will vote OUT again, and again, and again, until there is no breath left in my body. I thought I was right in 1975; I can prove I was right now, and I shall still be right as they lower my box into the ground.

  5. sovereigntea
    May 14, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    A few years ago I asked everyone of a certain age whether they voted for or against EU membership not one owned up to voting for it. I suppose shame may be a factor however I suspect a rigged vote.

    As regards any Tory promise of a referendum only if they sign a contract upon genuine pain of death would I believe that they would deliver the goods as described.
    The problem then arises of the controlled media being either biased or bribed to be pro EU. There is also the stupid factor the X factor set would likely be easily persuaded on non issues or trivia.

    The existing shower of freeloaders, shirkers, miscreants and worse that pass themselves off as our representatives are largely neither fit for purpose or office.

    We need a parliament of independent MP’s that are loyal to the British public who are not controlled by any party whip or other special interest groups.

    Lobbying needs to either be banned completely or entirely recorded.

    Policy providing “think tanks” such as DEMOS and RESPUBLICA also need to be banished from the pages of time as do NGOs, CSOs and pseudo charities.

    Political parties and the above only exist in order that the Parliamentary system can be controlled used and abused by financial and corporate interests.

    New parties may provide some temporary respite however the same money power elite will likely corrupt, overwhelm and subsume them in the end.

    • Single Acts of Tyranny
      May 15, 2012 at 6:47 am

      “New parties may provide some temporary respite however the same money power elite will likely corrupt, overwhelm and subsume them in the end”


      Care to continue to the logical conclusion?

  6. May 15, 2012 at 7:59 am

    QM, you’re probably right. The Tories are just trying to nab a few UKIP votes to help stay in power, or as much power as Brussels lets them have. And I think that while we keep hearing that the majority don’t want to be in the EU it doesn’t stop the majority from voting for the Big Three parties despite them all being Europhile to a greater or lesser extent. Unless the pain from being in Europe is far more apparent than it already is an in/out referendum could well come back with the reply: ‘In’. Conversely if the pain of being in Europe does increase to the point where ‘Out’ is highly likely I expect the referendum would be shelved just like the last one on the EU was, and no doubt with similarly weak excuses for doing so. Honestly, I think it’s a real possibility the EU will self destruct on its own before the UK gets a fair referendum on membership.

  7. May 15, 2012 at 10:14 am

    It’s quite obvious what we will get. The majority vote will be for the ‘renegotiation’ option, then the elites will twiddle a bit round the edges on a couple of minor treaty details, or maybe just ungold plate a few issues, then claim they have done it.

  8. cuffleyburgers
    May 15, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Absolutely, a referendum on Lisbon would have been right. THere is no sense in one now and no chance whatsoever that there will be any possibility of voting to leave.

    The question will be rigged, the BBC and the right-on TPTB will be in hyperdrive, anyone talking sense will be villified as a little englander, and billions of our taxes will be spent rigging the election.

    Fortunately it is much more likely the EU will simaltaneously combust than that Cameron will do an honest or an honorable thing

  9. Peter MacFarlane
    May 15, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    We won’t need to leave the EU; the EU will leave us when it collapses.

    Fingers crossed, hope, hope…

  10. Watchman
    May 15, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    I am not sure that EU propoganda in a referendum would work in their favour to be honest – it would simply lead to the out campaign pointing out that people were paying their taxes to be told how to vote, which is not a vote winner. And the BBC would not be able to close out the views of one campaign as it would have to offer equal airtime – failure to do so could lead to a legal challenge to the validity of the result (which would be an excellent court case to follow, as someone would finally have to prove the media influence voters and not vice-versa…).

    The Irish vote no against EU funding, and they get far more than we do from the EU. And the ‘armageddon’ narrative would be easy to disprove anyway…

  11. Greg Tingey
    May 15, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    As someone who voted IN at the time – because THEN it was a good idea … AND the only parties campaigning to stay out were the communists and the NF (before the days of the BNP, this was…)
    Circumstances alter cases.
    I now think we should get out, and I’d be VERY suprised if a direct IN/OUT referendum was held, because I think the majority would be for an out.
    I suspect what we’ll get is havering and dissimulation and attempts to “renegotiate, even if (when) a referendum says “OUT”!

    Which tells you something about the ploiticians, doesn’t it?

  12. May 16, 2012 at 8:35 am

    The only way they’d allow it is if they felt the question could be framed in such a way as they’d win it. This is a worry. Referendum, yes but with an input as to the question.

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