Seattle and guns

Gunman kills 5 people and himself in Seattle rampage

Chicago Tribune – ‎22 minutes ago‎

(Updates with death of gunman and fifth victim; new details) By Laura L. Myers SEATTLE, May 30 (Reuters) – A gunman killed four people at a popular Seattle cafe on Wednesday then fled to a downtown parking lot where he killed a fifth person and stole …

Tragic, awful but I don’t buy what’s happening. Too many of them exactly at a time when the PTB want America disarmed. And where they are disarmed, as in the UK, there is apparent perfect peace and harmony?

Bollox. Disarming the people is the last thing the people need – quite the opposite. Don’t be sucked in by these things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#History_of_gun_control_in_the_United_Kingdom

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics-news/2012/05/29/personal-gun-collections-to-be-limited-as-numbers-soar-to-record-levels-86908-23878102/

28 comments for “Seattle and guns

  1. May 31, 2012 at 9:44 am

    And when more or less all legal means of owning a gun are closed off, as with handguns in the UK, the Americans will find that they will be the only ones unarmed in the face of both armed police due to their legal exemption and armed criminals due to their willingness simply to ignore the law. Even if you could achieve the impossible dream of destroying every gun in the land and somehow preventing any more from coming in, before long the criminals would simply start making their own. People act as if guns are a terrible and recent invention, but they’ve been around in various forms since long before the Industrial Revolution. For heaven’s sakes, the Chinese were making basic ones eight centuries ago, and a half competent metal worker with the nous to do a bit of research could make something vastly better today. A gun knocked together in some dodgy workshop won’t be as good as a gun made in a factory built for the job, but it’ll go bang and fire bullets when desired and that’s all that the criminal will want of it. Disarmament is a futile dream of people who wish to un-invent the gun but don’t dare admit it out loud even to themselves because deep down they know how ridiculous it sounds.

    • Maaarrghk!
      May 31, 2012 at 10:41 am

      Agreed AE. I was involved in the manufacture of matchlock and flintlock guns at the time of Dunblane.

      Provided you are happy with a single shot weapon, these things really are dead simple to make. We used to refer to matchlocks as “bang sticks” because that is quite literally what they were.

      Length of tube blanked at one end with a touch hole and a bit of a pan welded on the side, bullet mould off the net and a bit of scrap lead, a foot of washing line soaked in salt petre and a bit of loo roll for your wadding. Powder can be home made or legally bought “pyrodex”.

      • May 31, 2012 at 11:18 am

        Yep. I was going to say it ain’t rocket science, but of course the Chinese had rockets before guns. Can’t help but wonder if the invention of guns began when some 12th century Chinese guy picked up a rocket and said: “Guys, what do reckon would happen if you just held this thing the other way round and stuffed a bunch of metal balls in the nozzle end?”

        • May 31, 2012 at 2:45 pm

          Maa…aaghk, AE – and the thing is, the PTB know full well they’re dead easy to make and that certain types feel comfortable making them. I’ve gone the defensive route myself, keeping absolutely within the law but not cooperating – in fact, putting spanners in the works and making some good perimeter fences, both material and non-material. It only works in the middling stage of their takeover of us.

  2. Rossa
    May 31, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Ain’t the gun that kills, it’s the human using it! Uninventing guns won’t solve anything so disarmament is a fantasy as AE says.

  3. Mudplugger
    May 31, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Just like recreational drugs – you can’t uninvent drugs like you can’t uninvent guns.

    So why don’t they ever get it ?

    • May 31, 2012 at 11:14 am

      I suspect if you take enough recreational drugs you may come to believe you can uninvent guns. 😎

    • May 31, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      Rossa, MP – yes.

  4. ivan
    May 31, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    James, PTB??? what is it?

    • Lord T
      June 1, 2012 at 12:14 am

      Ivan,

      PTB = Powers That Be

  5. Diesel
    May 31, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    There’s little point in banning guns on the basis that they are used to kill. I work in a small office, and I’ve just counted 22 separate innocuous objects on or by my desk that I use on a day to day basis that are suitable as an immediate-use lethal weapon without any adaptation.

    So, if I decide to go postal, thats the entire office taken out without leaving my chair.

    • May 31, 2012 at 2:52 pm

      Yes, it’s absolute BS what they’re trying to pull. Of course you can. In fact, anyone serious won’t even have anything assembled – it will all be in innocuous pieces here and there. Not that I’m suggesting it – heaven forbid. My route’s more subtle.

    • Tatty
      June 1, 2012 at 10:41 am

      The majority are born with two of the most lethal weapons on the entire planet.

      Our own bare hands. 😐

  6. Jeff Wood
    May 31, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    PTB “Powers that Be”?

    • May 31, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      Ivan, Jeff, sorry, had to go into town to take care of yet another thing which has fallen apart.

      Yes, PTB is Powers that Be.

  7. john in cheshire
    May 31, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Am I correct in thinking that air pistols are still outside the guns ban in the UK. Am I also correct in thinking that there are some air pistols that are quite potent at close range? And if so, isn’t it an idea to at least keep on in the house? I haven’t by the way ( for all the covert watchers of what goes on at sites like this, so please don’t come bashing in my front door).

    • Lord T
      June 1, 2012 at 12:16 am

      John,

      The are limited to 6lb/ft. Any more and they are firarms.

      Soon though they, and air rifles, will be regulated like shotguns.

  8. Dave_G
    May 31, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Read any instructions on the use of a slingshot lately? Read it and wee…. errr laugh out loud.

    Weapons are available from practically any source whatsoever and banning guns only moves the criteria down a level. Ban fully automatics – use repeating. Ban repeating – use single-shot, ban single shot – use a crossbow, band crossbows – use a simple bow etc etc until you get down to the oldest, simplest and just-as-deadly slingshot and just TRY to ban them……

  9. May 31, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    John – my source says yes.

    Dave – the good old slingshot from the wife’s knickers or bra.

    • Dave_G
      May 31, 2012 at 9:59 pm

      A slingshot made from my wife’s knickers or bra would be known as a ‘trebuchet’

  10. Single Acts of Tyranny
    May 31, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    How many of these ‘gun massacres’ have taken place at NRA conventions? ZERO

    Why? because looney-tune shooters know they would last precisely five seconds if they started shooting in an environment where everyone else was armed.

    Whereas, when you know for sure the politicians have disarmed all the honest people (but not their own bodyguards) then you can massacre at will because no-one can respond.

    Remember. when seconds count the police are only minutes away.

    • Maaarrghk!
      June 1, 2012 at 5:20 am

      I think there was a recent Darwin award nominee who had tried to hold up a US gun store that was full of customers. HA!

  11. May 31, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    How many of these ‘gun massacres’ have taken place at NRA conventions? ZERO

    The ban-ners don’t want to know that.

  12. Maaarrghk!
    June 1, 2012 at 5:22 am

    Anyone know what the arrangements are regarding pistol shooting at this years olympics?

    • June 1, 2012 at 7:04 am

      Well I did hear a rumour the British team had to go outside of the UK to practice, but that might be one of those Urban Myths?!?

      • Maaarrghk!
        June 1, 2012 at 10:23 am

        So far as I’m aware, they have to keep their pistols and practice in France. Many of the more well-off pistol shooters did this at the time of the 1997 firearms amendment act.

        A friend of mine keeps his .38 black powder revolver at the shop in France where he purchased it – free of charge.

        French gun shops like talk of anti-gun laws. More people go out and buy more guns.

        • DerekP
          June 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm

          So how come they didn’t train in Northern Ireland?

          3 Citation, commencement and extent.

          (1)This Act may be cited as the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997.

          (2)This Act shall be included in the Acts which may be cited as the Firearms Acts 1968 to 1997.

          (3)This Act shall come into force on such day as the Secretary of State may by order made by statutory instrument appoint; and different days may be appointed for different purposes and different areas.

          (4)An order under subsection (3) may contain such transitional provision and savings (whether or not involving the modification of any statutory provision) as appear to the Secretary of State to be necessary or expedient in connection with any provisions brought into force.

          (5)This Act does not extend to Northern Ireland.

          [my emphasis]

          http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/64/section/3

  13. Furor Teutonicus
    June 1, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    And, would Mr Trotsky like to enter the debate on the banning of Ice picks?

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