Expect this to grow and grow

Coming to a town near you soon, curfews for the young an idea dreamed up in Wales but if successful sure to spread like wildfire as local councils everywhere seek to keep people in their homes and not out on the streets making the place untidy and giving them extra work.


A night-time ban on young people in a city centre has been criticised by the children’s commissioner for Wales and civil liberties campaigners.
It comes into force in Bangor, Gwynedd, on Monday and could affect anyone under 16 not with an adult after 9pm.
Civil liberties group Big Brother Watch called the order madness and likened it to “North Korea, not north Wales”.
But North Wales Police said it would not apply to all youngsters, but instead those who cause trouble.

So, rather than go after the ones causing trouble, they’d rather just ban every under 16 year old without an accompanying ‘responsible’ adult.

The dispersal order says: “If you are under 16 you are not allowed to be here between the hours of 9pm and 6am unless you are under the effective control of a parent or responsible person over the age of 18.
“You may be removed to your home or place of safety if more appropriate.”
It will remain in place for six months in a bid to help tackle anti-social behaviour such as groups congregating to drink or members of the public being “harassed, intimidated, alarmed or distressed”.

Well I know a fair few irresponsible parents and adults over 18, doesn’t make them dangerous, silly and loud occasionally, but not dangerous. And what’s with the drinking thing? If it’s alcohol, where are 16 year old’s getting it from and why haven’t the police actually clamped down on the miscreants anyway?

It’s the old use a sledgehammer to crack a nut scenario again isn’t it? Rather than deal with a specific problem the response is to go for blanket solutions that penalise everyone. Instead of arresting or moving on the groups lets just stop them coming in here and letting them run riot (if that’s what they do) elsewhere.

You can practically lay bets with good odds that other councils are watching to see if Bangor get away with this before introducing their own curfews, after all a lot have banned people from drinking in the streets, some have even tried to stop smoking in the streets. Wouldn’t take too much to keep everyone indoors now would it?

Or I might just be getting paranoid again, but the way politicians and the powers that be’s minds work, you have to wonder, don’t you?

5 comments for “Expect this to grow and grow

  1. June 17, 2012 at 6:31 am

    No, you aren’t getting paranoid. This needs to be slapped down, and slapped down hard.

    There’s already signs in the muddled PR statements made by the overreaching bastards that they know they might be on a sticky wicket here:

    “However, North Wales Police said it would not apply to all youngsters, but instead only those who cause trouble.”

    No, a curfew is a curfew. Going after the ones who cause trouble is your job, not inventing and implementing blanket policies because it makes it easy for you!

    “Police said it did not mean they would routinely remove all under-16s to take them home, but rather it gives them the power to do so if they deemed it necessary.

    “Many people are working very hard to improve and regenerate the city centre as well as just wanting to enjoy their daily lives without being intimidated or harassed and I have no doubt dispersal orders areas will assist in that endeavour,” said Insp Barrasford.”

    Hey, guess what? Teenagers too would like to enjoy their daily lives without being intimidated or harassed!

  2. Greg Tingey
    June 17, 2012 at 8:54 am

    And, of course, the “guilty” ones they harrass wouldn’t be the solitary attractive females (or even pretty boys) would they?
    Of course not! Perish the thought, after all who do they think the police are – the Catholic Church?

    I think this attempted ban is probably against the Bill of Rights, it is certainly contrary to EUHCR – though bringing a case would be EXPENSIVE – which is what they are gambling on, of course.

    Oh, and it depends on how you define “successful” doesn’t it?
    Like: “We’ve got away with it, so far …..” ??


  3. Bemused
    June 17, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Already been done in Soviet Scotland. Google teenager Scotland curfew.

  4. ivan
    June 17, 2012 at 9:46 am

    While I don’t agree with the police state tactics and think it is another step on the road to this country being like the old east Germany I do question why young teens are out on the streets late at night. I can only assume it is because of a broken family and home life and until that is ‘fixed’ things will only get worse.

  5. Tatty
    June 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Hm ok…so how is this actually any different to existing police powers to disperse teenage yobs that aren’t enforced ? It seems to me to be just another glorified babysitting service paid for by the taxpayer and the only difference is a time-stamp.

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