Non crimes…

The police continue in their surge to alienate the law abiding majority from themselves in yet another display of insensitivity and lack of common sense. After all, what else could describe this as…

Mail.

Couple arrested after suspected burglars were shot at their rural home ‘had been robbed three or four times’

  • Police received 999 call from a man who said he had opened fire on four intruders
  • Man, 35, fired shotgun at gang who broke into his isolated cottage in Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire
  • He and his wife, 43, called police immediately after shooting
  • Couple arrested on suspicion of GBH and four men detained on suspicion of aggravated burglary

The couple arrested after two suspected burglars were shot during a midnight break-in at their remote rural home had been robbed three or four times already, it has been reported..
Police descended on the farm cottage in Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire after receiving a 999 call from a man who said he had opened fire on four intruders.
The homeowners, who have been named as 35-year-old Andy Ferrie and his wife Tracey, 43, were understood to have called police immediately after the shooting, at 12.26am yesterday morning.
The man who dialed 999 told officers he had fired his shotgun, which is licensed and legally held, and the intruders fled.
Minutes later, ambulance paramedics were called to treat a man with shotgun injuries. The 999 call was understood to have been made by one of the suspected burglars.
A second man was treated for shotgun injuries after he walked into Leicester Royal Infirmary, around ten miles from the cottage.
Neither of the men’s injuries were said to be serious.
The householder and his wife were arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm.

So, we have a case of a homeowner letting loose with a legally held weapon at a group of men who have been arrested for aggravated burglary. At the time they had broken into the property (hence the arrest) and got shot for their trouble. Whilst I do not know all the details, unlike the Tony Martin’s case the suspects weren’t attempting to run away either, so judging by the aggravated attachment to the charge we can assume they had battered their way in rather than merely try the locks and windows.

What makes it worse of course is that the homeowners immediately informed the police that a legal weapon had been discharged during an attempted burglary and as ever ended up being arrested.

Not so long ago MP’s were said to be setting new guidelines to prevent such cases as people attempting to defend their homes from ever coming up against this type of police inquisition somewhat along the lines of a man’s home being his castle.

Seems no-one has bothered to tell the police yet…

21 comments for “Non crimes…

  1. September 3, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I have no problem with the couple being arrested and questioned. I would have a problem with the CPS deciding to charge and prosecute them though.

    Arresting them is right because the police need to question them to find out the true story about what happened. Someone was injured, so until it can be shown that self defense was the reason, there should be an arrest. Bail should happen pretty quickly.

    • September 3, 2012 at 1:54 pm

      The police have no need to arrest anyone to question them.
      The fact that 4 people were injured and arrested for aggravated burglary should simply have been enough to warrant an enquiry, not an arrest.

    • September 3, 2012 at 3:02 pm

      SBML, I agree that there is probably a need for an administrative/investigatory arrest in this case during the enquiry. I don’t think the CPS should prosecute though, after all the police have been pretty quick in charging the alleged agg Burglars.

    • Tatty
      September 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm

      Arresting them is right because the police need to question them to find out the true story about what happened.

      Agreed. People are only ever arrested on suspicion of any crime and to allow questioning to at least try to establish the facts.

      The charging of any crime is a seperate part of the judicial process and not something the police have any control over as we have seen time and again.

      Let’s not start calling for the police to be on-the-spot mind-readers…that’s not their place.

      This bit gets me….

      “The 999 call was understood to have been made by one of the suspected burglars.”

      They happily break The Law yet when someone appears to do the same in fighting back they then expect The Law to protect them ?

      The irony…the hypocrisy…cheeky fookin bastards…

      • September 3, 2012 at 4:18 pm

        Ah, but you are all forgetting one thing – its no longer a cozy little ‘look, we have to arrest you but will drop the charges later, *wink wink*’ situation.

        Their DNA will have been taken, ditto their fingerprints. They are law-abiding people, likely to want to help, and so likely to inadvertantly say something in interview that might allow a further charge for an ambitious and unscrupulous cop. They can kiss goodbye to getting a visa or a positive CRB check without a lot of hassle.

        These days the process is the punishment, but only for the law abiding.

        • September 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm

          Well said. Yes, there has to be an investigation in the first instance, but people don’t need to be arrested. And we can look forward to the anti-right to self defence brigade using this for their own ends. There’s also a chance that some one will encourage the burglar’s to go for compensation from the couple because of their injuries. I expect their human rights were violated somewhere along the line.

        • September 3, 2012 at 11:04 pm

          Julia you are completely correct there with the process becoming the punishment.

        • Tatty
          September 4, 2012 at 3:22 pm

          Yes Julia, you’re right regarding certain other parts of the process but this initial part of it…arrest all on scene and take in for questioning… is one I wouldn’t wish to see changed and especially when someone has been shot.

        • David A. Evans
          September 4, 2012 at 10:31 pm

          The arrest was purely to get them on the database and was not necessary, the plods can ask them to attend the station to answer questions or even interview on site.

          Any arrest for a chargeable offence gets DNA, prints & photo whether charged or not. Not sure how long the records are retained but a standard CRB won’t show them.

          DaveE.

    • Lord T
      September 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm

      To be arrested in this Mickey Mouse country means that your DNA and fingerprints are taken and held forever.

      It also means you can never visit the other Mickey Mouse places in the US.

      It is persecution pure and simple.

    • September 3, 2012 at 11:17 pm

      Questioning is reasonable, arrest is not.

  2. September 3, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Next time, this householder should use a rifle and bury all the bodies in the woods. If the police ask what the noise was, he should say it was just the Triads disciplining their cockle pickers. The investigation will then be halted in case the police are accused of waycism. 😈

    • Mudplugger
      September 3, 2012 at 3:10 pm

      You echo the key mistake made by Tony Martin – he only killed one of them, allowing the other toe-rag to escape.

      Had he killed them both and buried them, then donned a burqa before any Plod interference, the case would never have troubled either the media or the criminal justice system.

      • September 3, 2012 at 3:30 pm

        Yup a Burqua, that well known cloak of invisibilty with the added power of making one immune to plod. Just don the burqua, shout Allah Akbhar and threaten to explode, the world is then your oyster.

  3. Brian, follower of Deornoth
    September 3, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Arresting them gives the Plods an excuse to deny them a firearms licence; that’s the real reason.

    • September 4, 2012 at 5:43 am

      Because it shows them up when the citizen does their job for them?

      The police – no longer a crime detecting or crime fighting force – merely a crime processing one.

      The Ferries are still in custody 36 hours later. And people who previously thought the Winsor reforms were a step too far are now thinking they maybe don’t go far enough…

      • Tatty
        September 4, 2012 at 3:31 pm

        Because it shows them up when the citizen does their job for them?

        Wait, what ? We want the police to shoot burglars now ? Julia, I’m shocked 😯

        • September 4, 2012 at 6:05 pm

          Yup! As far as I’m concerned they can plug ’em like Azelle Rodney!

          • Tatty
            September 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm

            Azelle Rodney…who was shot when the police believed him to be armed and turned up to accost him guns-in-hand.

            In this case the police were fully aware that the householder was definitely armed, had actually shot someone and this was corroborated by another Emergency Service.

            There are other obvious differences between the two but as The Law applies both sides of a doorstep then, by your example, the householder here was extremely lucky not to just get shot. 😯

            Preferable then that they were simply arrested and expected to answer a few questions. πŸ˜†

    • Maaarrghk!
      September 4, 2012 at 5:45 am

      Agreed!

      All part of the de-gunning process I’m afraid.

  4. Derek
    September 4, 2012 at 11:39 am

    The police became so politicised during the Labour years, that it will take a generation to undo the harm done. As it will with many other institutions once praised for being non political.

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