8 hours is a pretty long time to stay hidden from the good/bad men

There’s a recent writer at my place, Seaside Sourpuss, whose work might even be more appropriate here at OoL. The post she’s just put up over there should really be shared so I reprint in full below:

This is short. I’m supposed to be working (boo sucks) but I couldn’t let this go by without some kind of comment.

A four-year-old girl has been found hiding inside a British-registered car in which three bodies were discovered eight hours earlier, French police say.

The bodies of two women and a male driver – all thought to be British – were found near Lake Annecy in the Alps on Thursday. A cyclist, said to be a local man, was found shot dead nearby.

Officials said the unharmed girl was hiding under one of the bodies.

How the hell could something like this happen?. There’s whoops we missed a blood drop and then there is countless police and paramedics, swarming the scene for 8 hours, none of whom spotted a whole actual child. Who declared the victims officially dead, and how did they manage to do so without actually removing the bodies from the car, or even, it would appear entering the car at all?.

Fishy?, something about this stinks to high heaven.

A four-year-old British girl found alive under the bodies of her family who were massacred in the French Alps told police how she was so terrified she ‘could not tell the difference between the good guys and bad guys’, it emerged today.

8 hours is a pretty long time to stay hidden from the good/bad men. Even the average 4 yr old can figure out when a danger has passed. Regardless of her seemingly, above average, elocution, there may well be some truth in what She said. After all, who, be they 4 or 40 continues to hide in fear from the bad men, long after the good men aka police and paramedics have turned up to help*?.

* I’m trying hard to refrain from accusing outright, someone in a uniform from having committed this crime but’s hard. Really hard.


Need to just mention that Seaside Sourpuss is a mother of three.

17 comments for “8 hours is a pretty long time to stay hidden from the good/bad men

  1. September 6, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Those of you familiar with Annecy will know it to be an idyllic resort, a really lovely place and so I’m struggling to get my mind round this whole thing.

  2. September 6, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Well, it seems the local gendarmerie were instructed not to touch the car (which was presumably riddled by automatic weapon fire) even to verify death, until ‘Le CSI’ arrived from Paris…

    And as to what prompted such a professional hit on a ‘holidaying British family’, well, check the name of the father (just released).

    • AndrewWS
      September 6, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      Hmm, Arabic surname (al-Hilli), lives in Claygate. I briefly lived there in the 80s. Posh place then, now probably even posher. Hmmm.

  3. September 6, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Shot in the head? Fifteen empty cartridge casings found so far? Possessions not stolen? That was a hit, not a robbery.

    • September 6, 2012 at 4:24 pm


      Rumours are already flying around the Internet. What you decide to believe is usually pretty instructive…

      • September 6, 2012 at 6:16 pm

        Iceberg, tip of.

  4. Conspiracy Thierry
    September 6, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Good job it wasn’t the Met investigating. They would not have found the bodies in the car if the Tia Sharp Police were involved.

    • September 6, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      Great name! šŸ™‚ šŸ˜ˆ

  5. Greg Tingey
    September 7, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Hit – almost certainly, given that he was a software expert, and involved in avaition a bit ….
    The child is NOT a suprise.
    Very strict “DON’T TOUCH” instructions will apply in cases like this … messing up the forensics is simply not to be contemplated.

    • JonP
      September 8, 2012 at 10:47 am

      The “Don’t Touch” argument is fine, but surely if you came across an incident like that the first thing to do would be check if any of them were still alive and needed help. Unless a medical professional examines them there’s no way (OK with a few exceptions were it was _obvious_) to tell if someone’s alive or dead. People do survive fairly horrific gun shot injuries.

      I can almost understand the kid hiding, she was in shock and then a bunch of foreign speaking police turn up, but if they did a quick exam of the bodies just to check for signs of life it seems that they should likely find the girl – there were only three other bodies and the car wasn’t that big…

      • September 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm

        The news that each adult was shot twice in the head might explain the lack of heroic measures. Yes, you can survive that, but at odds equivalent to winning the lottery then getting hit by an asteroid strike…

      • September 8, 2012 at 6:27 pm

        The story is that the girl hid under her mother’s skirts.

        I don’t know whether the mother followed a religious dress code, but if so, I can imagine that police would be reluctant to risk the reaction that would ensue had they disturbed her clothing.

    • Conspiracy Thierry
      September 9, 2012 at 2:52 pm

      Sylvain Mollier is the name of the cyclist who was also shot down on Wednesday in the Chevaline massacre.

      The 45-year-old local man, father of 3 and cycling enthusiast, had gone out on his normal bike ride .An employee with the company Crezus which supplies equipment to nuclear power plants.
      He had five bullets in his body, two of them in his head.

      Was he the target, were the al Hilli the unfortunate witnesses ? Perhaps the police will enlighten us.

  6. SS
    September 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    This post was written yesterday morning, on my tea break, long before the additional information on the family came to light. At the time I didn’t even know their names. The French first responders are still sticking to their ‘didn’t want to compromise the crime scene’ which we all know is utter rubbish. I think we can all agree they just cocked it up. I’m also inclined to go with the possible ‘family feud over money’ scenario. It really does seem the most plausible. After all, if he was a spy harbouring secrets they would only have needed to do away with him, chances of the family recognising anyone later on would have been next to nil. Needing to wipe out the entire family, well that’s more of a personal thing, in my opinion.

    • September 8, 2012 at 1:01 pm

      Except they haven’t wiped out a whole family.

  7. Tatty
    September 7, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Whatever really happened there’s a badly injured and comatose 7 year old and a traumatised 4 year old caught in the middle of all these adults that have…one way or another….completely fucked up their lives.

    Can’t get that out of my head….and I’m not normally one of the “for the cheeeldren” brigade either…I just find it so very sad šŸ™

  8. September 9, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    My view is that tragic though it was, those people are now gone but the real tragedy is the children whol live and what will now happen? There are enough traumatized kids already in this society.

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