We can no longer defend ourselves

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One commenter at the Mail sums it up:

The government slashed the throat of the British aircraft industry scrapping Nimrod and selling Harriers for £115 mill after a £500m refurb, The knock on effect, no technicians, no engineers, no bases to fly from, no defence of the UK.

The UK Government is the laughing stock of Europe. No investment, we no longer manufacture anything of significance. The coalition has destroyed Britain as a aircraft manufacturer, wasted billions, and put thousands of people out of work.The Navy and airforce slashed. Personnel coming home to face more cuts and life on the dole.

The government talked about creating jobs for young people, maybe McDonalds is something the government thinks is a quality job. We have given up a military expertise, by sacking highly trained people, who did a great job. The leaders of the coalition have not fought a war, not lost a son or daughter on the front line, and not been maimed or dismembered.

Just have no idea, all hooray henries playing lets ruin Britain.

Seems to me Cameron and the MoD are either quislings or utter self-aggrandizing fools. These commenters at the Telegraph sum it up for me too:

I am glad to note that the Daily Telegraph has a good quantity of arm chair generals, people who have never served, who have never been near a military establishment. People quite frankly who are talking out of the back of their proverbial.

It is not the generals who order the equipment but the oiks in the Mod, who allocate the money.

The generals are at the end of a cynical political game waged by politicians who themselves have never fired a shot in anger.

They are easy meat as they cannot speak out and say no. They cannot collectively refuse to carry on. So it is easy to cut their resources, their man power.

I am sick and tired of seeing the once most efficient fighting force reduced to an army with the weak bone like those on the continent.

In France they are are laughing all the way to the bank. We are now dependent on our oldest foe to help us out of the shit!!

Cameron and Osborne should be hang drawn and quartered because it is they who commit treason against the country they are supposed to govern and protect.

… and:

It’s all very strange. On the one hand we have the government continuing in the Nu-Labour tradition and slashing the defence forces to such an extent that we could soon be invaded by half a dozen boy scouts in a rowing boat; yet, on the other hand, Camoron, and his fellow idiot, Hague, is literally slavering at the mouth with his desire to get into a war with Syria and Iran.

Now we know that Camoron, like Bliar before him, is an idiot. We also know that a lot of their grandstanding, including their involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, was/is due to their desire to be seen as “world leaders”; as well as their desire to be seen as America’s favourite pet poodles. However, with the soon to be Swiss size army, even America will lose interest in them as pet poodles.

This leaves Camoron with one real option in the event of future hostilities, including another Argie invasion of the Falklands, and that is to surrender control of our armed forces to an unelected EUSSR army. However, given his natural subservience to the EUSSR, this may actually have been his plan all along.

What price then, our international and national interests, when we will be at the whim of unstable and unaccountable foreigners in the EUSSR whose interests may be at total variance with ours?

… and:

We do vote for this by voting for the main three parties. We know what they are like yet the vast majority still vote for them regardless of what they do. I expect we will see more of it today. Despite recent events which have seen more fraud and corruption the people of Corby will elect a member of the identikit main parties despite all the alternatives on offer.

I wish the General had also mentioned the fact that making long serving soldiers redundant close to pension point and not compensating them appropriately for the loss of their pensions is having a very negative effect on armed forces morale, its not just the cuts themselves, it’s the way they are being handled.

Some 80 soldiers in the last round of cuts have been made compulsorily redundant within a year of reaching their pension point. My brother included, who will be 82 days short. One of the officers I know in this group will have completed nearly 16 years service by next year FIVE of which have been in war zones! That’s the sort of commitment and loyalty these men and their families have given to The Crown.

This group of soldiers who are being treated in this way have probably seen more active service than any since World War II. To deny them the pensions they have accrued to date just because they are short of a few days or months is wrong, wrong, morally wrong and flies against the spirit of the Military Covenant.

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Just why is this so difficult for half this country to comprehend?

We must withdraw from the EU and begin unilateral agreements with the various European nations, overseas aid to rich countries cut and the money put into conventional defence forces, ditto with all the quangos and fake charity money.

12 comments for “We can no longer defend ourselves

  1. john in cheshire
    November 15, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    James, as usual I’m in full agreement with you. I think the correspondent above who suspects that the plan is to ensure we end up with an EU ‘defence’ force is spot on. I’m sure that is the ultimate goal and unless there is a coup d’etat lead by our cast-aside ex-servicemen, nothing will stop our government of traitors (of all 3 main parties) achieving this objective. I don’t happen to believe that we will ever get rid of the traitors in our midst without bloodshed. I hope I’m proven wrong but I doubt it; the question is when is this likely to occur.

  2. johnd2008
    November 15, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    The idiots in charge have never had a history lesson. Think the 1920s/30s and the Geddes axe. Europe is becoming ripe for revolt. Adolf Hitler may rise again.

    • November 15, 2012 at 11:43 pm

      I cannot help but agree. The cycles of History repeat and no-one of any note seems to learn its lessons.

  3. November 15, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Uncanny how it’s when we come up to such times that the defence forces are at their lowest ebb.

  4. Voice of Reason
    November 15, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Words fail me. This isn’t the EU talking, it’s “management training courses”, which have destroyed industry, education, and now the military.

  5. JimS
    November 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Why refer to Harrier and show pictures of Kestrel?

    The UK had effectively pulled out of Harrier back in Tony’s time, more US and Spanish than British.

    Military procurement is initiated by Capability Requirements which are produced by military personnel within the MOD. It could be argued that the real problem is that military turnover is rapid and that tends to produce specification creep as each newcomer tries to make their mark.

    Sadly the real expertise often (used to) lies (lay) with the civilian staff who stay in post a lot longer and are career engineers not ‘bureaucrats’. Unfortunately there can be a disconnect between two parts of the MOD, not helped by the military’s ‘can do attitude’ that works around faults rather than flagging them up.

    Then throw into the mix that defence spending is highly political and expensive and tends to be all or nothing (four submarines doen’t cost much more than one, most of the costs are fixed in the design and procurement of special materials). The result is that if savings have to be made whole projects go with nothing to show for it and leaving an unbalanced portfolio (tanks without ammunition, ships without weapon systems, carriers without planes).

  6. November 15, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Seems to me Cameron and the MoD are either quislings or utter self-aggrandizing fools.

    That’s putting it politely.

  7. November 16, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Spot on comment from James Higham as usual, made frighteningly real by the Spanish naval incursions into Gibraltar territorial waters this week with lack of any proper British response.

    As has been seen in the evidence presented to the Public Accounts Committee this week, the assumption that by joining the EU ancient competitive tendencies have been abandoned by our closest neighbours can now be seen to be the dangerous delusion it always was.

  8. Greg Tingey
    November 16, 2012 at 9:26 am

    THIS is where I am in full agreement.
    I would suggest self-aggrandising fools myself, but, even so, it is still treason, punishable by hanging, for preference.
    But of course, this started in 1981-82 with the navy cuts that got us the Falkalnds’ War.
    So, take ’em out …
    Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Camoron & string’em up!

  9. Derek
    November 16, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Blair promised the EU that we would provide a corps of 6oooo strong. We are on target to reduce the army to that size. It is always said that an efective navy needs 3 aircraft carriers. We will suply 2, France 1. Yes, Cameron is continuing Blair’s policy of tying us into Europe in such a way that it will be almost impossible to get out. Except that Europe will almost certainly explode before tha process is finished. It may well be that Europe is in turmoil at the time of the next election here. That could have interesting consequences.

  10. Ed P
    November 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    We should scrap the entirely pointless and unuseable Trident and use the money saved to reinstate a decent fighting force. It will be too late to respond otherwise, if/when Argentina goes for the Falklands again. (They were allowed to believe Britain was neither capable nor willing to defend the islands before – this time they will be correct.)

  11. fred
    November 18, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The problem lies with the people.
    They have a consortium of three parties, all belonging to the same club, running Great Britain Ltd.
    The company is bust, producing nothing, is in so much debt that liquidators would find nothing to salvage and to cap it all the board of directors are helping themselves and their mates to what is left in the workers (voting public) pockets.
    YET the people re-elect the same board members every time to run the same bankrupt company.
    It is suicide by stupidity, try someone else, just choose the first 3oo people to win £10 in the Lottery next week, they would do a better job. They at least have a chance of being less corrupt.

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