You’re pleading with the wrong guy Dave

What is it with politicians in this country and their need to interfere in other peoples business? From taxpayers, drinkers, smokers, even foreign governments (those that we don’t bribe with taxpayers cash)

So here we go, I’m trawling through press reports and as ever the main headlines are of the Israeli/Palestinian problems. I normally don’t get involved with online discussions on the subject as there are too many entrenched views, though I do note just who the aggressors are and oddly enough it’s rarely Israel…


Prime Minister David Cameron has urged Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to do “everything possible” to end the crisis in Gaza.
In a phone call with the Israeli PM, Mr Cameron also expressed sympathy for the “unacceptable rocket attacks” Israel has suffered from militants.
At least 50 Palestinians and three Israelis have now been killed.
On Saturday, pro-Palestinian protesters gathered in Edinburgh and London to urge an end to the violence.
An Israeli air strike killed Hamas military chief Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari and another official in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday.
This air strike followed a wave of rocket attacks into Israel from the territory.

Now lets just look at this from another perspective. Suppose you or I lived next to a neighbour who insisted on tossing dog muck over your fence on a regular basis. You’ve tried remonstrating with them, getting the authorities involved, documented lots of times when they and their friends have behaved very un-neighbourly because as far as they’re concerned they want you to move (never mind the original causes of the dispute) Finally you snap and empty a whole sack of fertiliser on top of your neighbour and they go bleating to the authorities about your behaviour and you end up being told to behave.

That is pretty much Israel’s position from a strictly layman’s point of view, yet Cameron phones up the aggrieved party and asks him to behave rather than the barbarians who started the thing in the first place. And no I won’t go down the road of proportionality when it comes to casualties, no other army would accept that they have to go one on one with casualties, why the hell should the Israelis? As for civilian casualties, well the Hamas militants terrorist government could always choose not to site its munitions and arms under schools, hospitals or residential areas.

Cameron should really just mind his own business in the middle east, if Israel wants to fight the Palestinians for behaving like dickheads then that’s Israel’s choice.

20 comments for “You’re pleading with the wrong guy Dave

  1. November 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Minding one’s own business is an anathema to a politician. You’re pissing in the wind with that one.

    As a general rule, I adopt the “pox on all their houses” approach to the middle east, however, this one is down to Hamas. If they didn’t lob rockets at Israel, they would not have the IDF visiting well deserved hell-fire and brimstone on them now. You reap what you sow. No sympathy, frankly.

  2. Martin
    November 18, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Let’s have a look at another perspective . There you are living in your own bit of
    Land , when a bully decides to turn up and with the backing of his big mates decides
    He’s going to just take some of your land . Something about the fact that 2000 years ago
    he was wandering about in the desert , therefore he is entitled to it . Then for the next sixty
    years he just takes more and more of your land , in the meantime he poisons the water
    supply to what is left of your bit of land . As well as sending over phosphorous tipped bombs
    and all other manner of atrocities , like shooting two year olds in the head deliberately . That really
    Pisses you off but he’s got some big mates who just egg him on . Even he has no right to be there
    and it’s obvious he wants all of your land and to resign you to the history books . But whatever you
    Do is wrong in the eyes of the world because he and his mates own all the worlds media outlets .
    Entrenched views indeed

    • November 18, 2012 at 5:40 pm

      Except that the guy got the land fair and square from the authorities so your situation is just bull.
      The Palestinians are reaping what they sow as ever, [ad hom removed]

      • Martin
        November 18, 2012 at 5:46 pm

        Balfour declaration fair and square signed by our queen yeah right .
        What authorities , I see you live by the book . They are an occupying
        Force. [Ad Hom removed.]

        • November 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm

          If you cannot engage without insulting other contributors, you will be asked to leave. Don’t do it again.

        • November 18, 2012 at 6:21 pm

          That would be the U.N. mandate.

          Remember that one? The one setting up the land divisions in 1948?

        • ivan
          November 18, 2012 at 6:24 pm

          Martin, you need to learn a little history. There have always been Jews in that area since before roman times.

          Palestine was just the name of an administrative area in the middle east imposed by outside powers and it wasn’t until an Egyptian got on his high horse and started shouting and calling it a country that the problems that are there now started.

          The arabs didn’t want the land until the Israelis improved it. When they gave the Gaza strip to the arabs it was an area that produced all the food it needed, now it is a waste land.

  3. john in cheshire
    November 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    I wish Mr Cameron would just keep his mouth shut for a change – or is he once again ‘fed up’ that people aren’t doing what he wants? I also hope that the IDF give the arab muslims who are occupying the land called palestine a lesson that they don’t forget in many, many years.

    • November 20, 2012 at 5:50 am

      Me too, But a ground invasion would be a mistake. That sort of house-to-house clearance is dirty, and that’s Hamas’ favourite style…

  4. ReefKnot
    November 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    You seem to be saying that Israel has no right to exist, which is exactly the line taken by Hamas and the other apologists for Palestinian terror. But then Israel does not exist in the Arab world, instead it is all known as ‘Occupied Palestine’. If you buy a map in the middle east you will find Israel isn’t shown, it is all Palestine, as if Israel had just been wiped off the face of the earth and as if all those nasty Jews ( you know, the ones who shoot babies and own all the world’s media outlets )have been made to ‘disappear’. Arabs would be happy then, and so would those who share your views. It’s been tried before you know by people who would have been very comfortable with the sentiments you express. But it ain’t gonna happen.

    Until Hamas realise there is nothing whatsoever to be gained, and much to be lost, in continually hating and fighting their neighbours and that living in peace and harmony with Israel is the only way to guarantee a future for their children, there will be no solution. Regrettably they still haven’t got to that point, but eventually they may.

    • Martin
      November 18, 2012 at 5:52 pm

      A truce was agreed before those who sacrificed there own poor to get sympathy
      Began the present conflict . You really ought to read around things abit .
      And take those blinkers off [ad hom removed]

      • November 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm

        I repeat my warning above. No ad hom attacks.

  5. November 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    All, I realise that discussing the Israel/Palestine issue raises the temperature somewhat, which is one reason why I generally leave it well alone. That said, I will not allow those exchanges to degenerate into a slanging match. If you cannot defend your argument without resorting to personal insults, they will be removed. Keep it up and you will be removed.

    I trust that I make myself clear.

  6. James Strong
    November 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    An Englishman, a German and an Arab were each arrested and each put in solitary confinement in an empty cell. Each was given just 2 steel ball-bearings.

    Three hours later the Englishman was rolling one into the other to various parts of the cell in an entertaining game. The German had balanced one on top the other in a masterpiece of engineering.

    The Arab had lost one and broken the other.
    And was looking for someone to blame.

    • mikebravo
      November 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm

      The arab wold say that the Jews had broken into his cell and stolen them, and his bed and potty too.

      • November 20, 2012 at 5:51 am


  7. Old Codger
    November 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Cameron cannot do anything, whatever he says, he has disarmed and is busy disbanding our armed forces. He is probably afraid the Arabs will turn on us, which they probably will anyway whatever Cameron says.

  8. Nobby Thompson
    November 18, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I don’t profess to know an awful lot about Middle Eastern politics which is probably why I find the whole Palestinian/Hamas/Israelis haters point of view difficult to understand.

    Many of the people in Israel have lived there for over 60 year, their children have been born there and lived there all their lives, their children also have children who were born there and lived there all there lives and in some cases even their childrens childre now have children. Yet they are occupying the land!

    I went to my local town centre today and barely heard a word spoken in English. I cannot complain because I am told this is their country as much as it is mine!

    I guess I must be missing something.

    • November 20, 2012 at 5:52 am

      I wish I could recommend this comment!

  9. Furor Teutonicus
    November 19, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    XX if Israel wants to fight the Palestinians for behaving like dickheads then that’s Israel’s choice.XX


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