Rank dishonesty of Cameron and the captured organs

Let’s leave the actual issue of gays for now, let’s not get sucked into this in comments.  I’ve run both my own view and those of readers of the Telegraph at my place and that’s best left there.   What I’d like to address is the political question of framing questions dishonestly – this has implications for the referendum on the EU.

Here’s how the Telegraph did it initially:

That was a total misrepresentation of the argument.  The argument was between a small minority with inordinate influence over the PM forcing its views not only on the majority but on other minorities as well and I thought it was government policy to protect minorities freedom to operate?

Here was one commenter on that:

OK – they were getting stomped on, despite the biased question and so the editor clearly thought hmmm, perhaps there’s a donkey vote operating here.  Tell you what, if we reverse the order, putting the “no” at the top and the “yes” below, it will change things:

And it did seem to pull the vote back to about 60% yes.   Also, the mobile shills would have been out in force to try to claw that vote back.   Why was it important?   Because the Telegraph, Mail, Guardian and other papers influence opinion.  Sure Yougov and other polls are the trusted ones but for straw polls, the dailies are the thing.

If they can get it back to about 55-45, then they could claim a “near majority” or an “increasing number” support forcing gay marriage on everyone.   Unfortunately, this poll and that at the Mail have been a disaster for Cameron:

Why is he doing it?   Why does he have his teeth into this minor issue in people’s lives and why is he willing to risk demolition both within his own party and in the Lords?   Perhaps this is the answer:

He will allow Conservative MPs a free vote to follow their conscience on the issue, but Labour and the Liberal Democrats are likely to team up with the Government in favour.

Now again, let’s pull back from the actual issue if that is possible and look at his tactics.   It may be that the left – Labour, the Lib Dems and the Pink Tories’ unholy alliance is not a traitorous, quisling band in the land.   It may be that right is on their side and we are the quislings for supporting our country and its traditions.

The point is that he is meant to be a conservative.  You may not like conservatives but he was still meant to be one and he is facing down the actual conservatives in his Conservative Party.   What is that – lunacy?   Treason?   It’s as if Miliband, instead of selling out the country to appease the Labour tribalists decided to support the church establishment – he would be betraying his party, no?   And he was put in specifically to tear the country apart so he’d have to go.

WTF does Cameron hope to achieve, except the extinction of traditional voices in the land?


20:04:  LOL – the Mail has dropped its poll.

10 comments for “Rank dishonesty of Cameron and the captured organs

  1. graham wood
    December 7, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    There is the possibility that actually campaigning for “gay” marriage is such a deeply cunning plan that only he and George can understand it.
    No doubt about it you have asked the right question – what does DC hope to achieve? For a start, his reputation as an opportunist liar will be enhanced something wonderful yet again. Some achievement there!
    What amazing strategic planning in that he succeeds splitting his parliamentary party on the EU, and gay marriage both at the same time, thereby ensuring that droves more Tory grass roots leave the party – presumably some for UKIP.
    Cameron? Currently the the Tories greatest electoral liability. 🙄

  2. Old Codger
    December 7, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    “The point is that he is meant to be a conservative” but he isn’t is he? The one true claim he has made is that he is the “heir to Blair”. Just as Blair was no socialist so Dave is no conservative. Like Blair, he just picked them as a convenient route to power. Probably thinks that, like Blair, the money will just roll in when he gets ejected.

    • December 8, 2012 at 9:16 am

      Brown was however a socialist, and ran the country whilst Blair ponced about on the world stage. Brown’s cover was that he used the City to help fund his socialist policies.

  3. john in cheshire
    December 8, 2012 at 1:19 am

    James, firstly I sometimes wonder if people like Mr Cameron are actually aliens because nothing they do actually provides support to the indigenous peoples of our country. secondly, why are they making a great issue over something that is of marginal interest to the overwhelming majority of our country; cf. Mr Blair and his hunting of foxes. Which leads me onto thirdly, that Mr Cameron was, probably for the only time in his life, being honest when he said he was the heir to Blair. Mr Cameron is using the same techniques as Mr Blair in promoting an agenda – the same agenda in my opinion – which is disadvantageous to all indigenous peoples of our land. If I’m correct then Mr Cameron, just as Mr Blair is a traitor and if there was any natural justice still operating in our land, they would both be arraigned before the highest court in the land for their misdeeds. But, of course, we don’t do that in the 21st. Century, do we. We’re too civilised to actually defend ourselves against our enemies.

    • Voice of Reason
      December 8, 2012 at 1:51 am

      @John – the ‘indigenous peoples’? Do you mean the Picts, or will you allow for Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes and Normans?

      • Furor Teutonicus
        December 8, 2012 at 4:51 am

        Who fucking cares? At least in respect to THIS OoL post, it makes no difference, Mr red fucking herring.

      • December 8, 2012 at 9:17 am

        Recent paper shows that there IS an indigenous Brit, who has been her since the last ice age. So that hoary old riposte is bollocks.

        • Voice of Reason
          December 9, 2012 at 12:27 am

          And where does he/she live?

  4. Furor Teutonicus
    December 8, 2012 at 4:49 am

    Commyron is a “Labour” plant, put there to destroy any opposition at the next election, to ensure “Labour” (Read “festering, imbicilic commy shites) wins.

    (Which they will, because it is “their turn on the roundabout.”)

  5. James Strong
    December 8, 2012 at 6:27 am

    The Conservative party got what they deserved when they elected Cameron.
    The other main caniate was David Davis-a better consevative,a better friend of freedom and a man closer to having some principles.

    However, the Conservative party chose the shallow presentational skills and better hair of Cameron. Far too many people fell for the unrestrained approbation of Cameron’s speech ‘without notes’, (see newspaper reports of the time). All that means is that the candidate spent, i.e.wasted, hours learning the speech.
    It’s a skill that says nothing about the the candidate’s ability to make difficult decisions.
    Blame the stupid behaviour of the members of the Stupid Party in their leaership election.

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