Energy – strong views with scant knowledge?

Sackerson is one of our semi-regular contributors and he has revamped his Broad Oak site to be more comprehensive. There is a section on that site called the Energy Page and he’s managed to collar the inimitable Nick Drew from Capitalists at Work.

We’ve been fortunate to gain the right to post some of these pieces, Julia and I thought it looked a good fit at OoL where we’re always looking to broaden the angles and perspectives and so we reprint Nick’s current piece below.


What Lessons from Germany and Denmark? [1]

Energy, like defence, is a topic where huge numbers of people seem to have strong views based on very little knowledge. If evidence is required, go to the Guardian’s Comment is Free website where almost any piece on an energy topic receives hundreds of comments exhibiting ignorance aplenty.

A favourite theme from the green/red camp is ‘what about Germany?’ or its close variant ‘if Denmark can do it, we can, too’. The ‘it’ in question is of course very large-scale renewable generation in both countries, which is taken to be triumphantly proving its worth there in quantities that put the UK to shame.

At the headline level, the statistics are striking. In the 1st half of 2012, renewables generated around 25% of Germany’s electricity, of which 9% was wind and 5% solar. (The balance is mostly biofuels, which greens are a bit more ambivalent about, but let that pass.) Denmark has reached 24% of electricity consumption being generated from renewables: and as a percentage of Denmark’s own generation, the figures are even more remarkable: over 40% is renewable, of which 28% is wind.

The difference between Denmark’s ‘24% of consumption’ and ‘40% of own generation’ immediately tips us off to an important additional factor – imports, or, more generally, cross-border electricity trade. Trade between interconnected countries is generally in either direction at different times, as advocates of free trade would hope and expect: wholesale electricity prices in one country will rarely be identical to those in a neighbour’s market, given different supply/demand dynamics, generation fleets, weather etc. Cross-border trade is the highly appropriate result.

In Denmark’s case the detailed pattern is complex: they do indeed export electricity some of the time but, as the figures suggest, they are generally substantial net importers. Wind turbines, of course, produce ‘intermittently’ (and relatively unpredictably): and anyone wishing to hold up Denmark’s renewables as an example for other nations should be aware that their significant amount of wind generation is only feasible because of the ease with which they are able to import the ultra-flexible hydro-power available from Norway. Attempting to balance the grid using their remaining indigenous sources – the largest of which is, yes, coal – would not be remotely economic, and in fact would probably not be feasible at any price (we will comment later on cost aspects.)

Wind plus hydro can be a feasible combination with which to satisfy electricity demand. Denmark, where this is achievable, doesn’t offer a model for countries where there is little or no hydro on tap (or, of course, some equally flexible alternative – of which there are very few indeed).

Germany’s import / export pattern is exceptionally complex, and changing all the time as the unexpected post-Fukushima decision, to shut down a significant portion of its nuclear capacity, is accommodated. But it is not hydro imports that make Germany an unconvincing model for other nations. Rather, it is the distinct possibility that Germany’s power system is not feasible at all.


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7 comments for “Energy – strong views with scant knowledge?

  1. SteveW
    January 8, 2013 at 11:06 am

    The other thing to bear in mind with Denmark is that they generally give the excess wind generated electricity to Norway for free to avoid imbalance in the grid, Norway uses it for pumping water up hills and then sells the hydro generated electricity back to Denmark at a much, much more punitive rate.

    Denmark may generate a lot more wind, but it costs them a lot of money to not use a large proportion of it.

    • January 8, 2013 at 11:28 am

      Steve – agreed; I will discuss cost in a follow-up piece

  2. microdave
    January 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    “Trade between interconnected countries is generally in either direction at different times, as advocates of free trade would hope and expect”

    But when the trade becomes largely one directional…

  3. Furor Teutonicus
    January 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    XX At the headline level, the statistics are striking. In the 1st half of 2012, renewables generated around 25% of Germany’s electricity, of which 9% was wind and 5% solar.XX

    Failing to take into account, of course, that we have 40 (?) new COAL power station being built, and many more “on order”, because “alternative energy” is not only crap, it is so bloody expensive , that even the bastard watermelons here, have given up protesting at “coal fired”.

    PLUS, there are increasing calls on that commy scumbag, and FDJ Tusi, to reverse its plans to abandon Nukes!

  4. Greg Tingey
    January 8, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    The erm, wind is trimming & so are the politicos, I’m gald to say ….

    About time too!
    Zero Carbon, safe, last for ages.
    What’s not to like?

  5. SteveW
    January 9, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Bonus – looks like the rest of the IPCC 5th assessment report has just been leaked.

  6. January 9, 2013 at 12:02 pm

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