Germany must stay for historical political reasons


Rossa points us to the Guardian article on “why Germany may well leave the EU ‘cos her economy is not only contracting, she’s subsidising the ClubMeds”.

Now I’m highly suspicious of anything in the Grauniad by default, especially something that purports to quote statistics and the comments thread immediately dropped into a discussion of Marxism, as one would expect at a leftwing rag. However, the article made the points:

Total exports are equivalent to around 43% of Germany’s GDP and the eurozone accounts for less than 37% of total exports, according to recently revised figures. That means that exports to the eurozone nominally account for roughly 15% of German GDP. This share will fall further. In reality, however, the contribution of the eurozone to the German economy is even smaller. The reason for this is simple: the eurozone countries do not pay for most imports from Germany; most of Germany’s current account surplus is financed by the Bundesbank.

Between 1998 and 2011, German exports grew by over 115%. Export growth, however, did not translate into economic growth. According to Eurostat, during 1998-2011 Germany grew at an average annual rate of close to 1.4%, compared to around 1.5% for France, 1.8% for the Netherlands, 2.7% for Sweden, 2% for Britain, and average growth of 1.7 % for the EU as whole. Germany also lagged significantly behind the United States which achieved over 2%. Only Japan, Italy, Portugal and, according to some calculations, Denmark performed worse than Germany.

While German industry has enjoyed record export and profit growth, ordinary Germans have not had much economic joy over the past 13 years. As Charles Dumas of Lombard Street Research has demonstrated, real personal disposable income per capita rose by just over 7% from 1998 to 2011, compared to growth of 13% for Spain and around or over 18% for Britain, France and the US. German income growth lagged behind almost all OECD countries; only Italy and Japan performed worse. Germany today is a poorer country compared to many EU members than it was in 1998.

A great shock to me was that the above turned out to be reasonable accurate. Back in October, the Telegraph ran the same story:

Germany has supplied BMWs to southern Europe and they have given it IOUs in return. Will those IOUs ever be honoured? That is the problem with trying to grow through unbalanced trade. In the end, your trade partners need something to pay you with. Not that the German economy has been a stonking success during the euro’s existence.

Its average growth rate has been only 1.4pc, below the UK’s – and below Spain’s and Ireland’s. The explanation is clear. Whereas consumer spending has grown by about 30pc in America and the UK, in Germany it has grown by only 10pc. The reason is that over the last 13 years, German workers’ average real incomes have fallen by 4pc.

So why wouldn’t Germany leave? The answer is for political reasons. It’s only through the backdoor mechanism of the EU project that Germany realizes its age old ambition, the ambition of the old dirty money in Bavaria to achieve what the Kaiser and Hitler couldn’t. As this is Germany’s aim and as the dirty money runs to trillions, then some loss as a result of the IOUs are hardly going to dissuade it. And Merkel is very much a creature of the Bertelsmanns and other families.

This snippet is Illuminating:

In any case, Bertelsmann can be sure that Mr. Obama will read its “little aide, its little white book” very carefully. For — as Ms. Heuser failed to disclose and as was not mentioned either in an op-ed on Obama that she published in the Washington Post in July — the Bertelsmann Corporation happens to be the president-elect’s principal source of income. It was Bertelsmann, namely, that agreed to pay Obama a reported $1.9 million in advances for a three-book deal that the then-senator-elect signed with its fully owned American subsidiary, the Random House publishing group, in December 2004.

And another:

The “synergies” between Bertelsmann and various agencies of the German government are numerous and obvious: so much so that Bertelsmann has taken on the trappings of a veritable state within the state. Consider only that Bertelsmann’s “10th International Forum” in 2006 was held at the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Participants included German Chancellor Angela Merkel, then French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, and European Commission President José Manuel Barroso. [Pajamas]

Edward Spalton refers to Germany’s “natural hinterland” and any view of German Foreign Policy shows it to be continually interested in extending its role, not diminishing it. Horst Teubert, Editor Informationen zur deutschen Aussenpolitik, goes into more detail in his “Germany’s Bid for Great Power Status through the EU.”

Edward Spalton makes reference to Germany’s mindset which is always expansionary and inclusive, e.g. the Holy Roman Empire and nothing has occurred to change its stance. Bavaria is still the centre of Illuminism and many old families are there and in Italy. Finally, Lord Stoddart of Swindon opined:

“This is a plot by people who want to abolish nation states and create a United States of Europe,” he said. “The whole thing is barmy. These people are determined to achieve their final objective. The only hope for Britain is to leave the EU and become an independent nation.”

Current talk of an in/out referendum here is therefore of vital interest to the Bertelsmanns and if they hold the power over the US President as suggested above, then one would imagine the US urging the UK to stay in the EU.

13 comments for “Germany must stay for historical political reasons

  1. Voice of Reason
    January 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I read the title, and thought you were discussing the Sudetenland.

  2. Viscount Rectum
    January 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Yes that is all very well, sod all we can do about it, unless we consider the referendum we will get at the next G E, a UKIP vote will be your only referendum vote.

  3. Greg Tingey
    January 14, 2013 at 7:37 pm


    Raving religious lunatic, initals JH on loose.

    • sparta
      January 14, 2013 at 10:12 pm

      Why are you commenting here when you have nothing of any interest to say? Do the articles bother you that much that you have to waste your time typing nonsense to try and divert people from thinking for themselves? Why don’t you do some research about Bertelsmann and Bavarian history and come back with a comment that may be worth reading. You’ve been cropping up here pretty regularly of late and 99% of your comments are brain farts.

      • Greg Tingey
        January 15, 2013 at 9:28 am

        Actually I have a lot to say.
        I have friends in Nordrhein-Westfalen (between Rheine & Osnabrück) who would be horrified at this nonsense.
        “Illuminatus” – oh do bloody grow up, please!
        Little petty imagined conspiracies.
        Rather than bloody great ones by guvmints & big busnisses & their leaders to enrich themselves at our expense – a much more likely porapect: “You vote for us, & we’ll be all right” in fact.

        You are in line with the people who were frightened of a French invasion in 1905, in fact.

        • sparta
          January 15, 2013 at 5:01 pm

          Again – another pointless comment.

          It’s obvious to anyone who has studied history that you either know nothing of past revolutions and political/social change(eg the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks, Gramsci, Marcuse, Tavistock, Frankfurt School, Fabian Society), or you are fully aware and are out to belittle the knowledge of others as more and more people wake up to what is happening. Otherwise it really is rather odd why you are trying to involve yourself with a website that you think is a bit stupid.

          The conclusion is – as previously stated – you are simply here to spout nonsense that appears, initially, to contain a valid argument but – on closer inspection – is just fluff. I do enjoy reading your wierd comments though, as it helps to understand the tactics people like you use to distract others from what is really going on.

          • January 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm

            There are people like IPJ who do their homework and present what they’ve found. Then there are others who prefer not to think but have a ready stock of ad hominems, backed by no research whatever.

            The reader can distinguish between the two. Some people prefer the latter because it’s more comfortable.

    • January 14, 2013 at 10:41 pm

      Steady GT, beginning to let Stalinist tendencies show. Free thinking should be encouraged not locked away care of medicos.

      • Greg Tingey
        January 15, 2013 at 9:30 am

        “Stalinist” huh?
        Stalin was a complete theocrat – I’ve told you before that communism is a classic religion & therefore I’ll have nothing to do with it.
        Try again, & please swich brain to ON before you do, huh?

  4. January 15, 2013 at 6:54 am

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    Enemy of the State,
    Sovereign Freeman in Lawful Rebellion,
    who Declared War on Highland Council.

    INCIDENT 3 a.m. Monday 14th. January 2013
    I was surrounded by 3 female Traffic Wardens then 1 male and 1 female uniformed constables of Northern CON stabulary.

    The Northern CONstabulary Police Constable informed me that they had been called by a female hospital doctor who had allegidly;
    Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury.
    That we can have the threat of Arrest for just saying something to someone, PROVES THAT WE LIVE IN AN ORWELLIAN New World Order POLICE STATE.
    I informed the officers that I bacame a DIABETIC Type 2
    recently, and the my Records be updated for Health & Safety Laws
    I case of TAZERING and that when I am put in the Gulag I will recieve appropriate medical care before the ZyKlon B is administered.


    I have eMailed an official report of the 3 incidents and the harrasements and the fact that I am afraid to leave my home in case of immediate interrigation, arrest, Tasering, and/or shipping to the Gulag, to:
    Professional Standards and Conduct Unit
    which is on the page

    Someone claiming to be an Officer of Northern CONstabulary phoned later that day and we spoke for some conciderable time.

  5. cuffleyburgers
    January 15, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    @GT – reading between the lines I conclude that you are an intelligent person who makes some fucking stupid comments at times.

    Were you fondled by a monk at school?

    Personally I don’t believe in an illuminati conspiracy either, but in the absence of evidence to the contrary I keep an open mind, and if the facts fit, which some of them do then it seems foolish to disregard out of hand.

    For example there is no doubt whatsoever that the EU is a massive conspiracy, for evidence read R. North/C. Booker’s magisterial work “The Great Deception”. It is entirely believable that Brussels would channel money to an anti-British presidential candidate via a tame 3rd party as part of a desperate strategy to save the integrity of their precious creation.

    THe Grauniad article, unusually, is spot on and so is the thrust of this one.


  6. Greg Tingey
    January 16, 2013 at 10:18 am

    First find me a real, actual living, breathing illuminatist, & I might take any such allegation seriously.
    This falls down on the same grounds as BigSkyFairy – NO EVIDENCE.
    Lots of over-active imagination, though.
    And the {absence of evidence != evidence of absence} so-called argument falls down, in both case, because plenty of people have been, you know, actually looking, & still finding not even zreo, more like the empty set.

    TO REPEAT (this is grttin boring) I webt to church (CofE -evangleical) almost every Sunday, until I was about 14 … when I realised that I was being lied to by the semi-fundoe priest … so I became a part-time christian, assuming there was some good in it … until I noticed that they are all the asme – blackmailing liars, & not just the christians, either, & that communism is a classic religion [I only found out afterwards, that Bertrand Russell had spotted this, sometime about 1930]
    Long slow process – but all the more certain for that.

    • sparta
      January 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm

      Ha ha – really? Do you expect the individuals involved in taking down the West are REALLY going to admit that’s what they’re doing? If you do your own research (and why should anyone do it for you?)there is tons of evidence. My wife didn’t believe in the Bilderburgers until I showed her a video from youtube of an interview with Denis Healy (Communist)openly speaking about attending the meetings. Of course he was trying to convince the interviewer that it was nothing more than influential people meeting up (under Chatham House rules – meaning TOTAL secrecy)to discuss how to deal with global issues. Nothing to see here – move along…

      I think you need to stop trusting what you are told and do some finding out for yourself – and that includes what you read here.

      I was on your side of the fence until about 4 years ago when I started looking into some of the things I’de taken for granted were the spoutings of conspiracy theorists.

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