Completely agree with this about UKIP. You ignore the voters at your peril, you show disdain for the population at your peril, other parties.

What is still worrying though is that there are still tribalists voting Labour, an utterly discredited party, whilst they’ve done for the Lib Dems. Or have they? The Lib Dems still have a hell of a lot of councillors, far more than UKIP although they’ve had years to do it. And the Tories do control many councils still. So it has to be taken in context.

I’m not sure UKIP is just a protest party or one issue party now. Had a quick look at the policies and agreed with most until it got to the gay rights thing. Then when I read it carefully, it said that they had rights, that civil partnerships were their affair but that “marriage” wasn’t on.

Well argued. As Mike Mason, Fundenhall, Norfolk said:

“Nigel Farage has a spine, he stands up and says what he believes in and you can respect him for it. I’m 57 and I’ve voted Tory all my life but UKIP have several core beliefs which I believe in. Europe, immigration, human rights and self government.”

Absolutely. a bit eccentric? We-e-e-l-l-l, that’s English, is it not?

UKIP seems to have picked itself up and got its act together. Policies:

* EUROPE: Nigel Farage says he wants an “amicable divorce” from the European Union. Britain would retain trading links with its European neighbours but would withdraw from treaties and end subscription payments, adopting a similar relationship with the EU to Norway or Switzerland.

* IMMIGRATION: An end to the age of “mass uncontrolled immigration”. It wants a five year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement – and any future migration must be strictly limited to those who can “clearly be shown to benefit the British people as a whole and our economy”. Immigrants would not be able to apply for public housing or benefits until they had paid tax for five years. In order to achieve these goals Britain would have to leave the EU because there are no restrictions on other EU citizens moving to the UK while it remains a member.

* TAX: UKIP favours a flat tax – a single combined rate of income tax and national insurance paid by all workers. It claims this would end the complexity of the current system and allow people to keep more of the money they have earned. It would also lead to a major shrinking of the size of the state, which would revert to a “safety net” for the poorest. The party has yet to decide the rate at which the flat tax would be levied. Its policy at the 2010 election was 31% but a recent policy paper suggested 25%. It is having an internal debate about whether there should be two rates.

* EDUCATION: UKIP backs selection by ability and would encourage the creation of new grammar schools. It would give parents vouchers to spend in the state or private education sector. It also advocates the return of the student grant system to replace loans.

* HEALTH: UKIP says it has no plans to fundamentally change the NHS – it would, however, shrink the Department of Health and hand control to locally elected County Health Boards. It would also restore “traditional” non-university training for nurses.

* DEFENCE: According to a recent policy paper, UKIP would increase defence spending back to 2010 levels. It would build more warships and carry out an urgent review of the case for replacing Trident, including the option of a new British-built nuclear missile system capable of launch from air, sea or sub-surface vessels.

* ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE: UKIP is sceptical about the existence of man-made climate change and would scrap all subsidies for renewable energy. It would also cancel all wind farm developments. Instead, it backs the expansion of shale gas extraction, or fracking, and a mass programme of nuclear power stations.

* GAY MARRIAGE: UKIP supports the concept of civil partnerships, but opposes the move to legislate for same-sex marriage, which it says risks “the grave harm of undermining the rights of Churches and Faiths to decide for themselves whom they will and will not marry”.

* LAW AND ORDER: UKIP would double prison places and protect “frontline” policing to enforce “zero tolerance” of crime.

* THE ECONOMY: UKIP is proposing “tens of billions” of tax cuts and had set out £77bn of cuts to public expenditure to deal with the deficit.

* TRANSPORT: UKIP says it is the only political party to oppose the High Speed 2 (HS2) rail line arguing it will destroy countryside for little economic gain. It also opposes a third runway at Heathrow, arguing instead for an expansion of Manston airport, in Kent.

* SOCIAL ISSUES: UKIP has been vocal in its opposition to what it sees as “political correctness” in public life. It also argues that multiculturalism has “split” British society. It would legislate to allow smoking in pubs, in designated rooms, and hold local referendums on repealing the hunting ban.

* DEMOCRACY: The party wants binding local and national referendums on major issues.

This party knows its indigenous people. I suspect many newer Brits who are go ahead and wish to make a better life are very happy to go along with this and join in and why not? These are the sorts of immigrants we need.

11 comments for “UKIP

  1. Johnnydub
    May 4, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Its a small c conservative agenda – that Like Maggie’s – chimes with the aspirations of ordinary British people.

    It really says something about the professional politicians (esp Tory) when their policies are so far removed from these…

  2. Nick
    May 4, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Thing is, detail is needed for credibility. If taxes are to be bundled together, what other taxes will be removed? There’s no mention of scrapping fuel duty, for example, or the climate change tax, nor road tax. What about council tax?

    What we really need is a government that does it’s job as our servant, and asks us what we want through referenda and recall. Genuine, local democracy. Raise and spend taxes locally. Then, hopefully the bone headed Labour voters might begin to see that high taxes and big government keep them poor, not improve their lot.

    It is only by smashing the centre completely and preventing government at every step from doing what it likes with our money that things will improve.

    While UKIPs policies are nice, they don’t go far enough to ensuring democracy and smashing the real enemy: big government.

  3. Stonyground
    May 4, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    My only dissents are the Gay marriage issue, and the fox hunting issue. There are no logical reasons to be against gay marriage. All of the objections are religious and as far as I’m concerned all religion is poisonous infantile tripe. Regarding fox hunting, mistreating sentient animals for fun is just wrong. Anyone who is unable to see that, should be given a hundred metre start on a pack of dogs and given first hand experience on how it feels to be chased down and torn into little pieces.

    • May 4, 2013 at 9:42 pm

      “All of the objections are religious and as far as I’m concerned all religion is poisonous infantile tripe.”

      Be careful, with talk like that you’ll be elected as the next Bishop of Durham…

    • May 4, 2013 at 11:01 pm

      “There are no logical reasons to be against gay marriage.”

      Agreed, no reason to be for or against something which, by definition, doesn’t exist, like a man with a womb. I’m neither for nor against the sky being blue, clouds being white. I’m not against purple sheep. These things are or they’re not – there is nothing to argue about.

      Gay “marriage” an oxymoron of course. Marriage is one thing and gay is another. Very simple. Amazing some are still arguing over this.

      • mona
        May 5, 2013 at 8:16 am

        Lets legalise Zoophilia, I put gay marriage as in the same catagory. I saw a picture of some of our Parliamentarians in the Mail, dressed up as cock suckers, no wonder we can’t deport foreign criminals,resist EU, the elite are to busy sniffing each others arse

  4. Dave_G
    May 4, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    “Tribalist support for Labour”???? Possible – but much more likely are the ‘postal votes’ support for Labour. Take those away and exactly how much tribalist support remains?

    • May 4, 2013 at 11:04 pm

      Why would anyone sane vote for mountains of debt, destruction of the family, stagnation, a welfare mentality and a plethora of regulation making the society unworkable and business impossible, resulting in mass unemployment?

      I mean, why would anyone want Labour’s prescription?

  5. May 5, 2013 at 8:14 am

    All the other three herds of troughing piggies offer us is further enslavement to a foreign power, the EU.
    Whilst UKIP are offering us a chance to reclaim our country and it’s former values for us, our grand children and those who share in those beliefs/values.
    I know who I’ll be backing from now on.

    • May 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      As you say, bb, as long as they are offering that. when they cease, so does our support. Therefore we are in control, not them.

  6. Greg Tingey
    May 9, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Flat tax is a mistake.
    Should be two, possibly three rates, with an absolute top rate (people earning over £150k) of 40% ….
    Educational selection
    A proper comprehensive system can work just as well – but the schools MUST HAVE proper internal setting by ability within subjects.
    In other words, mixed-ability teaching is banned in state schools.
    Claimate change is real, but: …
    Measures currently taken are irrelevant – that’s the problem …..
    So, I agree with the energy policy, since we desperately need nuclear …
    Crime is dropping, now tetraethyl lead is out of the environment.
    Also prison is EXPENSIVE. So not a good move.
    Totally wrong on HS2 & Manston, I’m afraid ….
    LIKE the idea of local binding referenda, though!

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