Spare Me From The ‘Crusader For Justice’…

Hardly a day goes by, says Phil Shiner, without him or someone who works for him receiving abuse or worse.

Is he an estate agent? A cop? A traffic warden?

Why, no.

He’s a Catholic, a committed socialist, who believes passionately in social justice. Those are his guides.


Shiner, 57, is the Birmingham-based lawyer who is the scourge of the British Army, bringing case after case alleging brutality against Iraqi and Afghan prisoners.

Along the way, Shiner and his Public Interest Lawyers firm have earned the hatred of former and serving soldiers and their flag-bearers, including sections of the media.

Richard Littlejohn in the Daily Mail accused Shiner of milking the legal-aid system, earning millions from the public purse to fund his cause: “Shiner is always on the lookout for a jihadist with a grievance which can be used to discredit the Army and win some hard cash.”

But this is unfair, he protests, he’s a knight on a white horse, and if this is costing millions, well, it’s the dragon’s fault for resisting!

It would be far better, he says, if the MoD ceased resisting at every turn. “The MoD needs to stop, accept it and grow up. They’ve been rumbled, they’ve got it wrong. This wasn’t one-off behaviour, it was systemic and they know it.”

He seems to want the Army to become – literally, not figuratively – the World’s Policeman:

His “ultimate goal”, Shiner says, is to achieve “reform of our armed-services personnel so it never happens again. We need to train soldiers and interrogators properly, train them in the basic elements of law.”

He can’t see why the Army can’t be like the police. “If you join the police and you patrol the streets you need to know what the law is. That doesn’t happen in the Army – they’re not taught it.”

He sticks with the police comparison. “It’s very simple: why do we need interrogators to do disrespectful things to people? We don’t. A skilled police questioner knows, when a child has gone missing, if the person in front of them knows where he or she is. They can tell. They know if they’ve got the right person. And they’ve done that without doing anything disrespectful.”

I think he’s endowing police detectives with almost supernatural powers, there…

There is such a thing, I venture, as the “fog of war” . His answer is mocking. “People who say that don’t know what they’re talking about. Iraq wasn’t a war – the fighting lasted just five weeks. After that, we were an occupying power. Afghanistan was not a war. It was a United Nations operation to assist the government there to restore peace to the region.”

Our bad behaviour, he says, has done us harm: “Look at us. We’re supposed to be a democratic nation, a great democratic state that abides by the rule of law. Now countries can turn around and say, ‘No you don’t – you’re not better than us.’

No, quite right, we sexually humiliate a few wrong ‘uns for vital information, they slaughter indiscriminately and crucify people.

How could we possibly think we were better..?

The blame, he believes, lies with our inability to confront our colonial past, to realise our empire has gone, and that when we had the empire, we did some terrible things.

“Nobody has ever made the British public face what their armed forces did in the Second World War and the colonial wars since,” he says. “Germany was divided into four, made to eat humble pie, and national monuments were built commemorating their atrocities. What have we ever done? Nothing.”

Nothing, that is, except tolerate the likes of you making a tidy living and getting fawning left-wing media puff-pieces written about you…

10 comments for “Spare Me From The ‘Crusader For Justice’…

  1. john in cheshire
    May 30, 2014 at 11:53 am

    I doubt that it’s possible to be a Christian and a socialist; I think they are mutually exclusive. So, if he’s a committed socialist then that’s what he is; I doubt that he has ever been able to rationalise his beliefs with those of Jesus Christ. Everything he does, therefore, follows on from his socialist beliefs and nothing else.

  2. Errol
    May 30, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Well, an obvious one is, as he refuses to acknowledge military life is have him serve compulsary conscription for five years.

    Mr Shiner happily sits taking the tax payer to court. Perhaps it is time that we stopped paying him. Have the MoD put it to the people directly.

    Is the MoD guilty of failures? Yes. It didn’t provide the right kit because Labour used it as a vote buying tool. That killed 400 soldiers. Frankly the purpose of war is to kill your enemy to stop him fighting. It is not a police force – that’s a civilian role.

    • June 7, 2014 at 7:57 am

      Do we really want to burden the Army with the likes of him?

  3. May 30, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Does this cretin have any idea why Germany was divided into four? They were given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again in 1918. It didn’t work.

  4. Bunny
    May 30, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    If you read the legal text books they go on about this post-colonial crap, my margin notes make Obo the Clown seem temperate in his language. This idiots don’t have a clue about anything other than theory.

  5. Ian
    May 31, 2014 at 4:39 am

    What. A. Shit.

  6. The Jannie
    May 31, 2014 at 10:13 am

    George Patton, I believe :
    Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country; you win a war by getting some other poor bastard to die for his”.

    • June 7, 2014 at 7:58 am

      Yes indeed! One of my favourite quotes.

  7. May 31, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Catholic? Zozchial Justitz? No way sunshine.

    The ‘social justice’ infection in the Catholic parishes is just that. An infection. It is cultural Marxism masquerading as conscience.

    Jesus never ‘fought’ against or argued with the occupying Roman troops. There is not a hint of even mild criticism in his reported words and actions. Indeed to Catholics the Roman soldier who came to Him one day regarding a sick servant is featured in the Consecration. (Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my servant (soul) shall be healed). And let’s face it here, the Romans were a tad worse behaved than the average Tommy. He made it clear that he did not come to do anything ‘political’.

    Yes, He personally helped some poor people, some sick people, but He did not go around looking for them or setting up soup kitchens nor doing deals to water down His message along with taking some tax houndouts. (OK, he did run a fish and bread caravan one day, and He had a go at wine making just the once). But in the legalistic Roman Empire He did not appear to hang around the Courts (the Forens – hence forensic) bringing cases against tax collectors and dodgy physicians.

    He stuck closely to saving Souls.

    Not all catholics are Catholics. Oils ain’t oils.

  8. Furor Teutonicus
    June 2, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    XX That doesn’t happen in the Army – they’re not taught it.XX

    The motherfucking imbicilic twat never heard of “R.O.E’s?”

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