“I found a woman seated in a chair with lots of bullet wounds, covered in blood. Many other people had fallen around her, including a child,” he added.
Coptic priest Thomas Daoud Ibrahim said he was inside the church when the gunfire erupted.
“What happened is an insult to Egypt, and it’s not only directed against Coptic Christians. We are destroying our own country,” he said.
The sense in which I use the word Christian here in our society is what we vaguely call the west and the traditions it was based on. Paganism has to get a mention in these isles as well, as it was part of the development of the west, along with Christianity and its values of caring and tolerance, along with the spirit of enquiry of the truly scientific mind, not the Scientific Party.
No need to explain any of this to readers here. This is the true meaning of enlightened, not the hijacked meaning of the Royal Society and other Themist organizations often unknowingly dedicated to the other fella. This is the meaning of civilized.
The sense in which I use the word overseas is people of the faith who are oppressed, dispossessed and murdered – specifically for that faith we take for granted here.
Imagine the unspeakable fury that would erupt across the Islamic world if a Christian-led government in Khartoum had been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Sudanese Muslims over the past 30 years. Or if Christian gunmen were firebombing mosques in Iraq during Friday prayers. Or if Muslim girls in Indonesia had been abducted and beheaded on their way to school, because of their faith.
Such horrors are barely thinkable, of course. But they have all occurred in reverse, with Christians falling victim to Islamist aggression. Only two days ago, a suicide bomber crashed a jeep laden with explosives into a packed Catholic church in Kaduna, northern Nigeria, killing at least eight people and injuring more than 100. The tragedy bore the imprint of numerous similar attacks by Boko Haram (which roughly translates as “Western education is sinful”), an exceptionally bloodthirsty militant group.
And even though the left in particular in this land show they are not suffused in the spirit of tolerance and letting people get on with their own lives without having to impose their ideas on us – see the Glasgow Games – this land was largely tolerant before it went PC.
There are still many people, admittedly the older, the more conservative, who subscribe to almost all those old values, give or take one or two. There are still those nominally Christian who basically just grew up in this society but wouldn’t call themselves religious.
So what to make of this crime in the pic below?
I wouldn’t mind betting that our outrage is not just because of the sacrilege on a biblical prophet, Jonah but that any burial site should not be violated, even Muslim ones. I’m trying desperately to stay reasoned and not apply the epithet “scum” to ISIS, Boko Loco, Al Qaeda and all the self-whippers, throat slitters, human shield advocates, woman buried in the ground stoners and so on – the yabbering class with not a shred of human decency. Let’s be kind and just call them primitives.
And why would they have any decency? The satanic verses were not written for nothing.
In Nigeria, the radical Islamic terrorist group Boko Haram continued their killing spree, massacring 30 Christians as they worshiped and burning down four churches this past weekend. Experts continue to reiterate that “Christians are one of the explicit targets of Boko Haram.”
In Iraq, ISIS terrorists are targeting Christians and destroying churches. There are stories of forced taxes, rape, kidnapping, murder, and other horrendous persecution of Christians by ISIS militants. It’s believed that since 2003, two-thirds of Iraq’s Christian population has fled. Some experts believe the number of Christians there could dwindle to as little as 50,000 in the next 10 years due to increasing persecution.
ISIS’s leader has declared a “caliphate,” an Islamic state, in Iraq and Syria and has demanded the imposition of Islamic Shariah Law. Experts have described the goal and brutality of ISIS as “annihilating Middle Eastern Christians.” In Syria, ISIS has actually crucified 9 people in recent days.
In Sudan, government officials destroyed a church and at least 10 Christians have been murdered in recent months. Christian mom Meriam Ibrahim, who was previously on death row for her faith, is still being prevented from leaving the country, as she faces new possible charges and a lawsuit by Islamic family members.
Pastor Saeed is still imprisoned in Iran. Hamas terrorists are bombarding Israeli civilians with more rockets (nearly 150 rockets in the last 24 hours). The examples of radical Islamic brutality in the region are as seemingly endless as they are breathtaking.
Yet despite the well documented, targeted radical Islamic persecution of Christians in the region, the outcry from the White House has been muffled to say the least.
Just why Christians – the real ones – would try to live in such places is a mystery. Talk about being surrounded by the bulls of Bashan. But they would say – the Copts and others in the area, that 1. It’s just as much their home and 2. their scripture requires them to meet the world head on this way. The early beatitudes deal directly with this.
For Muslims to try to escape their servitude – well, you saw the woman having the baby in shackles and the one who managed to get out and the Pope met her.
It’s all well and fine some politician standing up in parliament and making a lot of noise about it all, as Cranmer is reporting today, but where is Cameron, where is Obama, putting sanctions on these people, putting that killer of Lee Rigby away forever or else executing him?
If they spent more time on this than on Putin, they’d go someway to protecting the people who are from our tradition, our background, e.g. the Copts. Why isn’t aid withdrawn from Egypt?
There may well be some good men and women still in parliament, mainly upstairs but there are precious few among the yes men and new girls in Cabinet.
I was torn down last time I stated the obvious fact that you wouldn’t even be allowed to be atheist outside of Christian lands – and I include France which has its own secular tradition too. The refusal of many in our society to realize they only have their freedom because of the tradition which is now under attack by LibLabConEU is, in my eyes, mealy-mouthed.
Even the philosophers were only allowed to proliferate within this fertile tradition which blends the Christian and the secular. Voltaire could only turn his back on God and live because he was in a society which, for all its horrors, still allowed such things.
What to do with the appalling desecration of graves and millennia old artifacts, of buildings and the history of civilization? What to do about the Christians being treated like this simply because they are Christian?
Many, including me, spring to the defence of Israel. Whole rallies spring to the defence of the Palestinians. Who is springing to the defence of the Christians over there? And at home.
Because from where I’m standing, it looks like an awful lot of silence up and down the US and UK, with voices in the wilderness here and there. Do I want a Christian caliphate? Last thing on earth – what, the Inquisition again? The Crusades? No thanks.
I want the situation where we can run this blog and Voice of Reason and I can converse rationally. No one comes to gun either of us down, no one comes to arrest us.