Sickening poll by the Mail


Earlier in the day, it was mooted that a Times poll [Remain paper] and Opinium poll was coming out in the evening and I tweeted, asking people not to take any notice of it, even if it favoured Leave, as it would be bollox. As it turned out, one had Brexit gaining and one had them dead level.

Then, from nowhere, came not only a poll of 1000 people the Mail supposedly found from somewhere and it trumpeted that Jo Cox’s death had changed everything and the lead Leave had was now reversed and Remain had “stormed into the lead”.

After all, the man in the dock today gave his name as “death to traitors and for Britain”, so clearly people must instantly change their minds because this referendum has nothing to do with the arguments as to why the country should or should not leave, it’s all about Jo Cox and how we must all support her now and vote Remain.

The Mail then reinforced this with commentless pieces such as:

‘Don’t let this man’s sacrifice go in vain’: Outrage as Swastika-covered vote Leave activist calls Jo Cox’s death ‘unfortunate’… and says it shouldn’t stop us quitting EU

They’d found some neo-Nazi who had said this and of course, all Leavers are therefore Nazis and while al their hate is being shown in killing poor Jo, the decent world loved her like a sister – gosh, even Obama weighed in – so let’s stop all this referendum nonsense now. On Monday is the memorial, then a few days post-mortem and reflection on how we should all live together, Muslims who have never killed or raped anyone and everything’s love and happiness.

In a wave of emotion, article after article was shoved onto the front page, of which this was one:

Don’t fall for Leave campaign’s spin… I back the PM: How Jo Cox used last message four days before she died to support plans to curb EU migrants

They then lovingly republished her entire propaganda piece.

This is beyond outrageous, it takes dishonesty to a new low. Will Cameron now postpone the poll until next year or does he think the Jo Cox wheeze will get him over the line?

Frankly, the dishonesty is sickening. Now, if the Mail is to be believed, which I sincerely hope it’s not, then people are deciding on which way to vote according to a wave of sympathy over someone’s death. And if this does cause a Remain vote on Thursday, committing this country to its death as a nation, then it is a deeply divided nation in which people like us are never, ever, going to work with people like that lot.

The violence will spiral out of control, things will start happening. The EU will most certainly collapse no matter what, as France and Italy go down, Turks will flood in here, as will the jihadis, the rapes and murders will reach unparalleled levels and the idiot left will blame it all on anyone but themselves.

You know what was one of the most nauseating things the Mail printed? That this poll said most people felt Cameron had handled the referendum campaign best. My case rests.

It’s very hard to go to sleep now after that, this is being written at 2:29 a.m.

16 comments for “Sickening poll by the Mail

  1. Hereward Unbowed.
    June 19, 2016 at 5:27 am

    That this poll said most people felt Cameron had handled the referendum campaign best

    If I could think of spinning a whopper, a lie so big – that even it, would cause those tired old hacks in the MSM to groan at its grandiloquent falsehood. More, which would utterly undermine and prove beyond doubt that, an off the cuff and instant opinion ‘poll’ was bogus bollocks…Finally, ably exhibiting not only the MoS pro EU mania and Rothermere’s stable total duplicity…… then – that [above quote] sentence would be it.

    Utter bollocks is all we have been fed – for 43 years and even before that……

    It’s time to tell them all [TPTB] to fuck off: over and OUT – VOTE OUT!

  2. June 19, 2016 at 7:15 am

    I mainly hope that people vote on Thursday – and that they vote as they’d planned to before the murder.

    It’s too important a decision to be decided by apathy or sentiment.

    • microdave
      June 19, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      “It’s too important a decision to be decided by apathy or sentiment”

      I wonder if all those who are now intending to vote “Remain” would still do so if the assailant had shouted “Allahu Akbar” instead?

  3. June 19, 2016 at 7:38 am

    Reason I’m concentrating on the Mail is it’s the most widely read news online in the world, though that includes America.

    I’ve just been into that article now [a surprising 22 comments only but with arrows running into around 3000 in many cases]. This morning there are 0 comments. So, deep manipulation of how it presents.

    What is the actuality out there? Is it as they claim and people are abandoning Leave or is it as before, with the natural creep back to cold feet among some?

    What effect would that Nigel sign have? Would anyone admit it to a pollster?

    • Hereward Unbowed.
      June 19, 2016 at 9:30 am

      “Is it as they claim and people are abandoning Leave or is it as before, with the natural creep back to cold feet among some?”

      We are being force fed a line here and the truth is hidden, TPTB know full well that, the polls do not show a strong remain vote.

      I don’t believe at all that, the polls are so close, there is no strong evidence whatsoever for a shift to remain – all indicators are that even in Scotland the swing is to OUT.

      On behest of their masters in NYC, Brussels and Berlin – HMG have been doing a propaganda job like there was no tomorrow – there wasn’t, the real indicators showed a vote for out – something had to be done.

      Also, there is a massive deflection and dissimulation strategy going on here and lets face it if…..IF the polls were a true reflection of the actual proportion of voter preference – I would put it at as high as 60%-30% for OUT and 10% undecided – if they let the real figures be known……..

      Then at the end of the count – finessing the result far easier if people believe the poll to be close (it isn’t)……they really couldn’t get away with gerrymandering the outcome yer know – like they did in Austria……

    • mike fowle
      June 20, 2016 at 11:28 am

      It is the Mail on Sunday that has been publishing this rubbish. The Daily Mail has been a staunch advocate of Brexit and strong critic of Project Fear.

      • Hereward Unbowed.
        June 20, 2016 at 11:44 am

        I think you aught to refer to my last comment Mike (below) ↓.

  4. wiggia
    June 19, 2016 at 9:17 am

    Surely our “fair” thinking PM would not use the death of Jo Cox to an advantage, perish the thought.

    the worst PM this country has had in a long line of them, the country deserves better than this.

    • June 19, 2016 at 9:30 am

      I’m thinking – when did we last have a universally loved or at least respected PM?

      • Hereward Unbowed.
        June 19, 2016 at 12:08 pm

        When did we last have an PM who could understand clearly the tariff and therein its responsibilities that, statesmanship and statesmanlike demand?

        Powell had it is pounds but they did for him, Churchill understood recall it, how TPTB – its the same thing now of course….those appeasement monkeys baulked at him (WS Churchill) coming to power. Finally, Wellington, humble man, a seasoned campaigner and always looked after the welfare – as best he could. of his command…. came to it naturally.

  5. Harry J
    June 19, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    The Mail on Sunday was absolutely appalling today. It was staggering how thickly they laid it on.

    • Hereward Unbowed.
      June 19, 2016 at 10:51 pm

      I have my mother’s copy with me, usually I scan it but today’s MoS – no chance and anyway apart from, Hitchens (whose these days turned into a PC pussy) there’s fuck all else to read in said rag.

    • microdave
      June 20, 2016 at 12:18 pm

      “The Mail on Sunday was absolutely appalling today”

      Couldn’t agree more, and was so incensed that I went into the newsagents to cancel our delivery. However, as Mike Fowle says above:

      “It is the Mail on Sunday that has been publishing this rubbish. The Daily Mail has been a staunch advocate of Brexit and strong critic of Project Fear”

      There was a quick survey of the Sunday papers and their views, in the Mail this morning, which pointed out that they have a different editorial team and staff to the MOS. This may have been in response to the number of commenters also saying they were going to cancel? I will probably give the Mail a reprieve for now, but the MOS will definitely get the push…

      • Ted Treen
        June 20, 2016 at 10:44 pm

        Regular readers of Private Eye will be well acquainted with the antipathy between the DM Editor and the MoS Editor.

        They have been at each others throats for quite some time, now.

  6. June 20, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    People will vote on emotion. We like to think we are rational – and you reading this here may well be – but far too few others think at all.

    • Hereward Unbowed.
      June 21, 2016 at 8:39 am


      7 billion on this planet and the sky is still our goal but human emotions get in the way. Mankind, each individual is beset by that inner tempest, a ravaged sea of conflicting emotions and inputs scrambled, sieved – each, everyone’s analysis is slightly, infinitesimally slanted by that particular individual’s traits, circumstances, upbringing and life choices.

      Ah but then…..

      Thrown together on this island, forged by blood, ancestry, tradition, history and outlook, pragmatic and emotions in check, loyalty and fealty to the land of one’s birth – icy calmness and it’s the only thing that can succour you in the heat of battle. It is to be hoped that, all of that is not lost – quite yet.


      If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
      Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
      Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
      And stoop and build ’em up with wornout tools:

      If you can make one heap of all your winnings
      And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
      And lose, and start again at your beginnings
      And never breathe a word about your loss;

      If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
      To serve your turn long after they are gone,
      And so hold on when there is nothing in you
      Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’


      Steady lads, steady, cry as our forefathers did; OUT, OUT, OUT! Freedom for ENGLAND!

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