They’ve Found Another Ditch To Die In…

Oh, the horror!

There are 61 full member orchestras in the ABO, offering more than 100 titled roles for conductors. Only four of these positions are currently held by women. Murphy surveyed the British artist managers with five or more conductors on their books. Almost 95% of these conductors are male. A recent screengrab from a leading British orchestra’s website of their page of “conductors coming soon” features photographs of 27 conductors, all of whom are male.

I bet that’s just as high as the percentage of men in sewer maintenance, road construction and deep sea trawling.

So how about it, ladies?

20 comments for “They’ve Found Another Ditch To Die In…

  1. February 15, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    I see they have noticed the obvious, that male conductors are more successful within the classical music industry than females. Could it be that audiences, and more importantly orchestras, with whom the conductors have to gel and mentally communicate with to ensure the success of the music, find the men are simply better than the women.

    But never has the obvious stopped the ‘diversity brigade’ from screeching loud and long. The next step will be to complain that Parkinsons Disease sufferers are simply not given a fair shake with the baton.

    • Gregory Tingey
      February 16, 2017 at 2:29 pm

      No, it’s simply prejudice – see my separate post at the end ….

    • February 19, 2017 at 7:21 am


  2. Errol
    February 15, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    Heaven forfend that we should select on the basis of ability. That would be wrong! How well you do something shouldn’t matter, only your gender should.

    Only when we get what we want will there be an end to discrimination!

    • Gregory Tingey
      February 16, 2017 at 2:30 pm

      But that is precisely what is not happening – also see end

      • Errol
        February 16, 2017 at 9:32 pm

        Women not getting jobs is not evidence of discrimination.

        • Gregory Tingey
          February 17, 2017 at 10:19 am

          When over 50% of the population is female & less than 20% of the population get specific jobs, yes it is discrimination, simply because the numbers don’t stack up.

        • February 19, 2017 at 7:21 am

          If men and women were identical in every way, it might be. But they aren’t. Clearly.

  3. Teesmaid
    February 15, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    In the past there were thousands of female conductors. But then along came one-man operated buses ….

  4. Mudplugger
    February 15, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    Noticed many male midwives recently ? Just sayin’.

    • February 16, 2017 at 2:16 am

      Midwives were ‘in-charge’ of birthing for several thousand years. It was ‘wimmins business’. The death in childbirth rate was a constant and high level throughout that time, as was the poor survivability of babies. It was only when the male medical profession said ‘enough, dammit’ that things changed, women and babies survived and the swing from single-father households (which ‘took-in’ young women as governesses to their mother-deprived children) to single-mother households occurred.

      • Gregory Tingey
        February 16, 2017 at 2:31 pm

        What changed was the advance of medical science generally, such as the introduction of sterile techniques & the realisation of how disease & infection spread

        • Errol
          February 16, 2017 at 9:36 pm

          Instead of just using foul language why do you not acknowledge that the medical profession was entirely male dominated and actually it was men who promoted the new understanding which caused the drop in child mortality and thus changed the demographic.

          • Gregory Tingey
            February 17, 2017 at 10:21 am

            This is called circular argumentation – you are arguing backwards to the supposed cause from the effect.
            In fact, it was better education for everyone, especially the midwives, who being female were deliberately under-educated….

            • February 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm

              LOL, precisely what you are doing, Greg, saying ‘fact’ but never providing any hard evidence for assertions. Happy to call others for doing it though.

  5. February 16, 2017 at 7:21 am

    I commented elsewhere along the lines above and was stomped on by the SJWs and older feminazis. Par for the course.

    • Gregory Tingey
      February 16, 2017 at 2:37 pm

      That’s because you are ignorant & stupid.


      I forget which world-class orchestra finally nailed this real problem to the deck.
      { May have been the Berlin Phil or the Wiener Phil … }
      They, naturally wanted the very best players, but realised that some women were getting left put ( I think this realisation started because of recordings, which did not show the person, audio-only )
      So they started holding auditions behind aurally-transparent but visually-opaque curtains … & more recently, made the candidates come in carrying their shoes, as women’s footsteps could be detected.
      Once that anonymising process was perfected, then women started to get something approaching equal representation.

      Thus putting the misogynistic lies of: JH, Amfortas, Errol & MC in their place

      • February 16, 2017 at 9:13 pm

        I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. 🙂

        • Gregory Tingey
          February 17, 2017 at 10:23 am

          I suggest you look it up.
          Listed fact tested & shown to have an effect.

          Anyway, quoting the murderer Cromwell is unlikely to have an effect on me, other than to annoy me further…..

      • Errol
        February 16, 2017 at 9:38 pm

        No, there is no mysogyny here, only your arrogance – as is usual. May orchestras are hiring women on the basis of merit. Some may not, some may. It is simply local, individual prejudices as is evident in every profession – and everyone, as you amply demostrate.

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