Two factors in your decision whom to vote for next Thursday

Thinking hard what to do next Thursday. If things come through, methinks they need to be presented and two have come through today which might help you to decide, if undecided:

1. Women from the 50s

Another, Liz Patterson, said: “I feel robbed of my pension money as the reason I put in for over 40 years was so I had something in my old age. Sixty this year and not informed the SPA had changed in 1995.

“No chance to do anything about it now. Another six years of working and to add insult to injury, also have to continue paying NI contributions on my earnings when people before me stopped doing this when they hit 60.

“So feel very unfair, unjust, penalised because I was born in the 50’s and have paid over and above my fair share of NI contributions.

“Am I going to get anything extra for paying another 10 years worth of NI contributions before I can now claim my pension. No, nothing extra. So where is the fairness when the goalposts are moved without even telling you or giving you a chance to do something about it. Yes, I do feel robbed and will continue to feel this for the next 6 years.”

Not only having been hit by various pension changes over the years those affected have also criticised the way they have been implemented, often without informing those affected or only telling them at the last minute leaving them unable to make financial arrangements.

Now Dearieme tore strips off me the other day for daring to suggest BT were not going to honour agreements but that above still stands.

2. Some breakdowns, by Nigel Sedgwick, longtime occasional commenter here:

Concerning the UK economy and government spending, here are (IMHO) some useful graphs.

First we have Total Government Spending annually since 1950. This is expressed as pounds per capita index linked to 2005. This is a better view/normalisation than percentage GDP when there has been lots of variation in GDP (because of recessions and booms) as well as changes in government policy. Note the fascinating up-kicks in gradient from 1998 (Blair became PM in 1997) and even more up-kick from 2009 (Brown became PM in 2008). The Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition (from 2010) and Conservative government (from 2015) have done next to zilch to cut back on the massive expenditure increases.

Now look at Health Care. Expenditure per capita (inflation adjusted) has more than doubled since 1997, with big up-kicks from 1998 and 2009. Now, I know health care is important to us all, but has NHS performance more than doubled over the period from 1997? Have we had value for money?

The second detailed area is Education. Here we see some cutback since 2012, but it is still over 50% higher than at the start of the Blair government in 1997. And just look at that sharp peak between 2009 and 2012 – a 13.5% increase in 2009 (over 2008) by PM Brown in just 1 year. Again we should ask: (i) has education improved to be 50% better over the period in which inflation indexed and per capita costs have increased by 50%? and (ii) what did the 13.5% increase in 2009 give that was worth the money?

Lastly here today, we have Pensions. There may be a bit of demographic age changes to deal with, from improved life expectancy, post WW2 baby boom, etc – but what did actually happen around 1993, 1998 and 2009. Oh, it’s Blair and Brown again – this time assisted by Conservative PM Major in 1993. State pension costs in 2017 are 114% higher that 1997 and 226% higher than 1992 (all figures after indexing for inflation and for total population). Even though it might cost me personally as an upcoming state pensioner, I struggle to see any real unfairness to me in PM May’s suggested modest cutbacks; this is especially if they are means tested so the worst off do not suffer.

AND don’t forget – all that money not blown through over-generous increases in health, education and pension expenditure (which must have a load of XXX not to the benefit of the general population who pay for them) does not disappear – it is there for other government expenditure (perhaps better thought out) or it remains in the pockets of the taxpayers for their own use.

PM May and her authoritarian Conservative colleagues are definitely far from the best offering from Westminster in my lifetime – but there is no choice in this election – unless you want even more barmy expenditure and other pointless socialist/communist folly.

7 comments for “Two factors in your decision whom to vote for next Thursday

  1. Errol
    June 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    If you save, the state destroys your savings. If you work, the state takes two thirds of what you earn. If you plan for the future, the state pulls the rug out from under you.

    Conversely, if you do nothing, if you never work and simply breed then the state pays for your entire life. It gives you a home, an income that you can spend as you want to, you get up when you want, live how you want without a single care. When you get older you’re given even more of other people’s money.

    Why is this fair? Or is this ‘government fair’, where the earner is punished and the shirker rewarded?

    • June 1, 2017 at 7:53 pm

      True – so who to vote for?

      • sokdraw
        June 1, 2017 at 9:42 pm


  2. Mudplugger
    June 1, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    The WASPI pension issue is just bitter froth. My other half was born in the 1950s, she was fully aware from the mid-90s that her pension age would be a number of years later than originally expected, so planned for it. It seems that some others had closed their ears to what they didn’t want to hear and are now seeking someone else to blame for their own blinkered disinterest. Equality means being equal – if they want equality with men, it’s not all a one-way street, get over it.

    One key problem with government expenditure, particularly in the Blair/Brown period, was that their sole measure of success was the volume of money spent, not what it achieved, so those cash-hungry, sacred cow, units like health and education got used to taking extra cash but not delivering in parallel. Check the output quality of schools/universities over the period – massive extra spending, massive reduction in output quality. A smart government would measure outputs compared to inputs and identify ‘value’ – but the chances of getting such a smart government next week seem slim, whoever wins.

    But in truth, next week is all about Brexit, because all of the next government’s powers to spend on any state functions will flow from the success or otherwise of Brexit. We should all vote for those whom we believe will deliver the best Brexit, nothing else matters at this stage.

  3. June 2, 2017 at 7:40 am

    The poor lady who has to wait for her pension very likely never said a word about men’s pension age, where she expected to get a pension a full five years before him and have it for a full six more beyond his life expectancy. She was very likely still complaining (and using for justification) about her great grandma not getting the vote until ten years after men – who had been mown down in WW1 – got it.

  4. Hereward Unbowed.
    June 2, 2017 at 8:00 am

    The Corbinistas Bolshevik collectivist/Marxist loons who will crash the economy cause financial catastrophe in ±12 months.

    Dope heads, the limp bums [fooking hell], the party of cyril smith, reynard, clegg and vince I should be in the scum party – where am I cable?

    Or, mrs may’s peculating lobby fodder – the self aggrandizing blue labour and EU lovers; adherents of banksterism, selling England by the pound – to anyone, turning Britain into North Pakistan, growing asset bubbles, debt and debt and more bloody debt and run into the ground by a canadian ex GS OWG fanatic, diversity, multiculturalism, inequality – busily surrendering to the RoP but OH SO anti Christian – how can they do this? and dedicated statist crony corporate in the pockets of the green fuckwits…………… for the party of grocer ted heath, john major, heseltine, ken clarke, soames, hammond, yeo, gummer, crudd, George Osborne and his mate – you mean – that lot?

    Some effin choice.

    You’d need your head examining, the end of Britain? most probably.

    • Judd
      June 2, 2017 at 7:25 pm

      Indeed Hereward, i have no clue who to vote for this time, despite every man and his dog saying it’s all about Brexit so vote for May…

      why? did she have an overnight epiphany, did The Virgin appear and order her to do her duty, protecting and restoring what was once a veritable Jerusalem before the swine surrendered it without a shot being fired (insulting the memories of the millions who died long before their time doing their duty defending the isles), overnight conversion from remainer to the patriotism and honour of a defender knight of the realm, when knights had honour, don’t see it mesen.

      her record as home sec is nothing to shout about, so why everyone expects her to suddenly start wearing her tights over her pants superman style i’m buggered if i know.

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