UKIP platform

This follows on from yesterday’s post. Let’s have a look at it:

Sticking point is, of course, number two.

I don’t blame UKIP for keeping it to the weak ‘future immigration restriction’ for a wider catchment and admit that my position on immigration is far more comprehensive. I believe, on top of standard procedures which should be as they used to be at Border Control and which UKIP is stating, that there needs to be a process of Repatriation in place, in this priority order:

1. Any foreign-born committing genuine crimes, not free speech actions, goes instantly, via an ICE type arm of government. That includes all rape crimes, other Muslim and African crimes.

2. All Imams instantly go, by definition and that caterwauling stopped.

3. Illegals themselves, starting with non-assimilating demographics. For example, lay off an American or Canadian who has overstayed until you’ve dealt with those, say, who don’t even speak English.

4. Lastly come those born in Britain or territories but they’re not British in any other way. The grandparent rule already in place is a good one but needs to become a great-grandparent and be actually pursued. Thus, if you can’t produce a great grandparent born in this country, bye bye.

That handshake rule is a good one, did you see that? If you refuse to shake hands, bye bye.

5. Some way of getting rid of Gina Miller and Diane Abbott types, Tracey Emins and Damian Hirsts.

I’d accept that N5 hasn’t much chance and N4 would be difficult but Nos 1-3 are quite easy to do with a bit of political will.

Now, being realistic about this, UKIP should at least extend its platform to include N1 above.

Update

The wrecking crew have been at it again [see comments]. Here they are:

23 comments for “UKIP platform

  1. decnine
    September 11, 2018 at 8:48 am

    Re No 5. No. We need a leavening of such as those to keep us aware of the dreadfulness their like would inflict on us.

  2. James Strong
    September 11, 2018 at 10:07 am

    James,
    You have good ideas, but I am afraid you are not the world’s greatest prose writer.
    Sometimes your meaning is not clear at all.

    1) What is an ‘ICE type arm of government’?

    2) ‘That includes all rape crime crimes, other Muslim and African crimes.’

    Rape is clear. What are ‘other Muslim and African crimes’? Are they ordinary crimes which happen to be committed by Muslims and Africans, or are they a limited range of actions that are only ever committed by Muslims or Africans?

    If a crime is committed by a Canadian but deportation is not necessary then the same crime committed by a Muslim or African should not deserve deprtation Otherwise you are violating the idea of ONE law for all.

    I can support all points in the UKIP platform you have posted.

    • Distant Relative
      September 11, 2018 at 6:05 pm

      Look up ICE in a search engine and apply to the context of this post and you will find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement

      Hope that helps.

      • James Strong
        September 11, 2018 at 7:39 pm

        Yes.
        I had looked it up before commenting, and I found stuff about Civil Engineers.

  3. Bill
    September 11, 2018 at 10:16 am

    1. Foreign born as in not born on the shores of this island one presumes. Proven how exactly, by a piece of government paper one presumes.
    So home birthed crims get to stay here. Off island birthed crims get sent back to wherever their bit of paper says they were born assuming the government of their birth wants them back. If not there is always Australia or Rockall.

    2. But what if the imam was born on this island?
    Then surely they should ‘serve their time’ once convicted here on this island. And why limit it to imam what bout all the other religions crims?

    3. Show us your papers. How does one return people without paper to the government of the country in which they were born if they have no paper?

    4. I am beginning to see your reliance on government issued paper to solve the ills you see running rife on this island. Wouldn’t it be easier to finish yer boat and become an ocean nomad?

    5.It’s easy stop paying these people your attention.

    Hoping against hope that a political party will ever solve any problem created by a political party is insanity but crack on there is no-one going to stop you. Keep voting you know it’s the best policy.

    • September 15, 2018 at 4:53 am

      Hmmmmm. This ref of yours to Australia. I could take issue with that ! But Rockall does point in the right direction. There are many, many quite uninhabited and large bits of wind-worn rocks around the UK, especially up at the top part. One largish could be made into a prison. Just dump right bas*ards on it and leave them there. Employ a few hardy boaty types to patrol: a modest stipend + hefty bonuses for the recovery of the drowned.

      • Bill
        September 15, 2018 at 7:57 am

        You went voluntarily. A long deceased relative of mine was a papered United Kingdom crim having burnt down his shop in an insurance scam and had the good fortune to get caught and was thusly deported on the last prison ship that traversed the great sea to Oz.

        A few years later he came back loaded having served his time and on release set about building houses a plenty as Oz had lost its prison title and gained a land of the free title with people wanting to live there. With a stashing of the cash gained he became wealthy hence the ‘good fortune’ which was inherent in the criminal deed.

      • Mike Cunningham
        September 15, 2018 at 5:27 pm

        For a long time, I have always specified Gruinard Island as the perfect spot for reluctant deportees.

        Answers as to why on a postcard please to Sajid Javid MP. Home Secretary

  4. September 11, 2018 at 11:00 am

    I do see the issues, both. It’s not an easy solution to this problem of what’s going on in these isles.

    Other crimes? That’s easy – FGM, murders, running buses into crowds etc. Shariah Law on their own people, poor sods.

    • Bill
      September 11, 2018 at 11:36 am

      At some point a terrapin becomes a freedom fighter then transmogrifies into the ‘legal authority’.
      This is achieved by commentary and force exercised just enough too instill the fear of dying into enough people to get it to take hold in any given population.
      Ergo government is simply the most successful terrapins put into place by the hidden hand of financial/power backing (the actual controllers) that rarely if ever ‘comes to light’.
      Government is a group of actors with very limited scope and zero power of control.
      His first avowed intent, to be a citizen.
      Keep voting, it’s your duty.

  5. rapscallion
    September 11, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    Well that’s me stuffed then. I fall foul of 4. Maternal parents foreign born and Paternal great-grandparents all born in Ireland (but one did have a VC) Despite being born here and spending 23 years in the RN would I be asked to leave?

    • September 11, 2018 at 8:55 pm

      I’m sure a formula can be thrashed out.

      • rapscallion
        September 12, 2018 at 8:18 am

        I was rather hoping you’d say that, especially as my paternal forbears have lived in these islands since 1089.

  6. ScotchedEarth
    September 11, 2018 at 8:19 pm

    Re. 1. Why ‘free speech’ exception? That some of our fellow Britons entertain unfortunate notions, such as desiring the breakup of our 400 year old nation, is a cross we have to bear; but why should we tolerate foreign guests promoting the breakup of our nation, or other subversive ideas? People like the Australian Brains and German Westens (foreign SNP’ers) are fifth columnists and should be treated as such, and deported forthwith. Think of the many foreigners keen to come to this country, short- or long-term, who harbour no wish to destroy our nation, yet we give their places to those who abuse our hospitality instead?

    Re. 5. Make them politically irrelevant, which means re-evaluating democracy as a concept. Pax Dickinson once wrote:

    Democracy is a metaphor for war. You tally up both sides for a head count to see who would win a fight so you don’t actually have to fight. But when one side is cat ladies and effeminate homosexuals, the metaphor for war breaks down because their presence is militarily irrelevant.

    Democracy is not about being nice but about staving off bloody rebellion and civil war. And the only people that matter are the potential foot soldiers, officers and financial backers of that rebellion or civil war—everyone else are just bystanders. Bystanders should have no say.

    • Mudplugger
      September 11, 2018 at 8:39 pm

      It can be argued that tax-payers are all ‘financial backers’ as defined above and, therefore, voting in a democracy should be restricted only to those who pay tax.
      I can see some merit in that approach when contrasted with giving an equal voice to all those who pay nothing yet take everything. I suspect Mr Corbyn may disagree.

      • Bill
        September 11, 2018 at 9:08 pm

        The only thing that can pay tax is a taxpayer. Just ask the HMRC.
        The only thing that owes the state a debt is a citizen.
        The only thing that can vote is a citizen registered as an elector.
        See the drift.
        Keep voting it will change everything, eventually, apparently.

      • ScotchedEarth
        September 12, 2018 at 12:06 am

        Anything can be argued, Mudplugger, but practicality trumps philosophising, and one cannot crowdfund a civil war. The only people that count (the people one must avoid angering too much) are those who would become the foot soldiers and officers along with those wealthy enough to supply them with swords, muskets and cannon (or AKs, RPGs and MANPADS in today’s world)—and at least two and possibly all three classes are required.

        A system of government can exist happily without enfranchising any of those three classes—but it would be wise for there to be some mechanism for those three classes to have their voices heard and weighed (e.g. petitioning the king). People falling outside of those three classes are important but their roles lie elsewhere and merit different treatment: children, for example, are of vital importance to a nation but that does not mean they should be allowed a say in that nation’s governance; they should be protected, nurtured, and told to STFU and listen to their elders and betters, and be given a slap now and again (for some, often).

        So the Owen Jones and Jess Phillips of the world can be safely angered—they are, as Pax wrote, militarily irrelevant. Whatever importance they have to a nation (extremely debatable), they need to carry out their roles in respectful silence.

  7. Pcar
    September 11, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    Free Speech, PC & CM

    UKIP Can ‘Electrify the British Working Class’ If They Embrace Free Speech Movement

  8. Pcar
    September 11, 2018 at 8:49 pm
  9. September 12, 2018 at 6:20 am

    Yes and now we have the cursed NEC again countermanding their leader over Tommy Robinson. Just how did these people even get into ‘power’ in a minor party?

    The worst thing about it is that they wouldn’t even let it be put to the vote. I’m not voting for a party which does that.

    • James Strong
      September 12, 2018 at 6:53 am

      I think you should reconsider your thoughts about the role of the leader.
      It is not for the leader to dictate/impose his one vision. The leader’s role is to lead by inspiration and persuasion.

      I would confidently bet that you would be very happy if the Conservative Party, or any of its committees were to countermand their leader over the Chequers proposal.

    • john in cheshire
      September 12, 2018 at 8:52 am

      Did you get the email too, regarding Tommy Robinson’s eligibility to join UKIP?

      I’m hoping that Mr Batten is intelligent, experienced and cunning enough to ensure the correct procedures are followed that result in Tommy (Steven) joining.

      • Pcar
        September 12, 2018 at 10:12 pm

        @john,

        I’m not a member. Please post the email here, or ask a friend to pastebin theirs.

        Cheers

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