Why Remoaner sentiments are not welcome here

The words in the heading were chosen carefully, so as not to target particular people, I’m writing of a general principle here and why I take this stance.

1. Because of health, age, busy-ness, other factors, I have neither the time nor energy to do it all over again when it’s all been said so many times. The moment Remoaner ideas sit in comments, I then have to waste time and energy refuting them all over again, which I’d do were it a worthy cause, which it’s not.

And as that is the whole point of Remoaner tactics – spout bollox and legerdemain in order to wear the opposition down by constantly repackaging – sorry, I for one have better things to do.

2. However, there is also the aspect of a deepening anger over a long period now at the dishonest tactics. Now again, I’m not referring to any particular person, just to the modus operandi.

And it has parallels in the States.

An example in the US was that woman who alleged Kavanaugh did those things but has admitted, now it’s all over, that she’d never met him. Ruin a man for purely political reasons.

She’s being referred by the Senate for investigation but that’s hardly good enough – it is the Dems themselves who did this thing who should be investigated.

Things like the caravan only get me to medium level anger, I can go about my business after seeing them. But I can’t after Kavanaugh and the same goes for anything coming out of the egregious Remoaners.

It’s the unprincipled dishonesty and constantly false information which is always the root cause, plus the smug taking of the Michael. It never did go down well with me, consequences tend to ensue.

Another analogy is the issue a few years back when a retired actor was phoned on television by two idiots who went on about his granddaughter being a whore. Let’s say you were that grandfather – would your apoplexy and dismay not be many times higher than the ordinary with those two idiots? But they’d ask whaa, whaa, why so intense about it all?

It’s the taking of the Michael, combined with the falseness which does it.

See, it’s not a question of “disagreement” over an issue, nor even “annoyance”, rather it’s “disgust” at the unprincipled tactics. It’s all about the modus operandi.

I simply have no time for it any more, in much the same way that Arron Banks smiled and asked the C4 journo why would he go on Channel 4, a propaganda channel, not a news channel? The babe persisted so he made it clear, to her incredulous look, that neither that channel nor her were of any interest to him.

That’s it with me too. Also, to really understand the intense weariness over the anti-British things Remoaners have been doing, I’ll just have to drag you, one last time, through it all again, sorry.

May as well start here.

Total bias from supposedly impartial bodies

Look at the govt’s letter to every household in 2016:

Look first at the print in bold – no doubt of the govt’s position, no mention of the arguments for the other side.

In an official electoral document.

The promise

Also look, in that document, at the highlighted section in pink and it’s crystal clear what the govt’s promise is.  It is further reinforced in Cameron’s own words:

Help to make it work … we’ll come back to that further down.  Here is how the BBC interpreted “impartiality” with its taxpayer funded national broadcaster:

And even the body running the actual referendum and afterwards:

Now they say people could not weigh up the two sides?  Damn right they couldn’t – the Leave side [as in Farage/Banks/UKIP] was not allowed to put its case.

The EC decided that the Tory version was going to be the sole voice for Leave, cutting out Farage, Arron Banks and UKIP.  It was UKIP, plus EUsceptic MPs which had forced the referendum. It was Gove and Johnson who then started their own fun and games, making statements and leaving themselves open to comeback from Remoan, which the latter are still going on about today.  They speak of lies from Leave – they are referring to Gove and Johnson.

Funding scandal

The EC, having lost the referendum, now of course started its games again and the BBC dutifully fell in line:

Note the inverted commas or talking marks in that Beeb leading story which mean, in journospeak – “alleged, unverified but stated as fact”.

And this ‘unbiased’ EC fined Vote Leave £61,000. Who are Vote Leave by the way?  Is it Farage/Banks/UKIP yet?

Founded8 October 2015
HeadquartersWestminster Tower

Here was the Brexit funding, according to the EC:

Remoan spent way over the odds and yet the Electoral Commission decided to investigate the other side … ONLY?

Not even the slightest attempt at impartiality.  The EC has past form in this.

Do you remember the Euro elections?  Look at 1:15 to 1:52 of the clip below where Farage is asked about the tactics on the ticket where the EC allowed “An Independence from Europe” who were deliberately trolling the UKIP name at the head of the ballot to siphon votes away from UKIP who were at the end of the ballot paper and reports came in of polling station officials even folding the paper over and giving it to voters:

Guess what the EC did about the complaint?  Yep, they tried to investigate Farage instead.  And now they’re at it again, see further down this page.

And what of the General Election?  Readers would be aware that Craig Mackinlay who took Thanet South for the Tories, shutting out Nigel Farage, the result known at 11:43 p.m. the night before the boxes were opened, after those and other tactics [posts passim], was recently under investigation for shoddy funding. It’s not him, is it?  It’s his machine.

Nothing happened.  Let off.

Now people up and down the UK saw these tactics regarding the referendum, everyone had reason to believe, from the leaflet to households that whatever the result was, the promise was going to be respected, to other promises, that this was indeed to be a once in a generation result.

And there was no way, at any stage, that it was going to be a partial exit or partial remain, a “stay in the customs union” type Brexit – it was always going to be either full Brexit, within a short space of time, or full Remain.

Oh and who is the High Priestess of the Remoaners in parliament?  This bint:

Yes that’s right – not the head of Leave but the head of Remoan herself, having done an about face. Even she initially accepted it.

And of course, our own side keep pointing out:

Here’s a bit more on this ‘impartial’ EC:

The EC strikes back

As Mark points out:

That’s the understatement of the year, Mark but quite right – those two, plus UKIP, were sidelined and all the moves were made by the various Tory forms of Leave.

Yet who are the EC hitting?  You guessed it – the very man who was not allowed to be part of the official campaign, Arron Banks.  And Americans will be amused by this but they’re trying to get him on “Russian money”, just like the Donald.

Naturally, Banks, a businessman, has hit back:

And a friend of his pointed out that the EC had, in fact, made a grave error:

Oops.

And readers saw that there was nothing in the interview.  Marr tried everything, but the documents and bank statements were there for the investigators.  We’ve already seen the EC try to refer him to the NCA who wanted nothing to do with it, they called it a “fishing expedition”.

Marr concluded that “this is getting too complicated”.  Yes, delving into people’s private affairs in that aggressive, unsubstantiated way does get complicated.

The EC don’t like this, so now it’s going to be the police, it’not a sub judice court case yet, so I can still comment. The BBCdeigned to go public on it, so [still] can anyone else in the land.  To our American friends – it’s shades of Mueller all over again.  I can’t put the Twitter clip here because some readers don’t have Twitter but this was Arron yesterday:

Note the poppy by the way.

Deplatforming

And of course, Remoan were not at all happy that Banks now “had a platform” from which to defend himself – national television.  Not happy at all.  The Green communist Lucas:

And of course, the whole time, Project Fear is running a new story every few days:

And this is “help to make it work“?

Is it any wonder the general populace is bone weary with it all and as for us – deeply angry and weary too.  But they keep dragging it out and out and out, trying to get people to forget why they voted Brexit and hey presto, suddenly Blair comes back and supports a Second Referendum.

Sigh.  In reply to these idiots, I refer you to Cameron’s and Soubry’s statements yet again at the top of this post.

Polls

In fact, one lady ran a poll with 32,000 votes up to this point on just what the opinion is out there:

So when a Remoaner came in and tried to claim 15 million, not the 17.4 million, a figure coming from some shoddy sampled polls – and all of them are shoddy now from Survation to the Independent, the Guardian, Yougov, you name it – don’t trust any of them – then I’d simply had enough of the whole bloody thing from 2010 onwards – a gutful you might say.

You can only push a person so far.

It wasn’t anything personal, it was just that I was not going to allow that fake c**p at this site and I refer to the whole shooting match, not to any particular figure alone.

Chequers

As if the second referendum bollox were not enough, May then held a contrived meeting at Chequers and out of it came a forced deal with the EU which no one supported, not even the Remoaners.

Yet she plunged on ahead, visiting the EU and getting nowhere several times – why?  Why?  Why?  Why?  Roger Helmer stated at the 2010 Tory Conference that the EU never, ever gives back powers.  It never has, it never will.

The answer why is in the post and comments here:

Has May just betrayed Britain?

… and here:

https://4liberty.org.uk/2018/11/04/has-may-just-betrayed-britain/

The Editor of the Spectator has written on it:

Guido:

Other opinions on it:

As for the funding the EC wants investigated – how about Open Democracy and Remoan?  Were it not so serious, I’d be laughing uncontrollably by now.

From all the above, can readers get any sense of why I am taking the stance I am?

On the basis of the promises, then that signed off result, a once in a generation poll, we should be out, we’re not.  ’75 went the same way – to be a once in a generation poll and that was that.  If you want dishonesty and shoddy meetings, go no further than Heath.

And yet the result stood for a generation.

These Remoaners need arresting and the ringleaders executed on Tyburn Hill.

All Remoaner views will be deleted at this site.

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17 comments for “Why Remoaner sentiments are not welcome here

  1. Judd
    November 5, 2018 at 9:33 am

    A superb summary of the farce bang up to date, thankyou James.

    What puzzles me is why are the pretend rebel tories making out as if the present betrayal is such a shock, they have form when it comes to betrayal, those of us still capable of independent thought are hardly surprised.

    They knew exactly what they were doing when Cameron the Vanished did his will o’ the wisp routine.
    They elected the worse most incompetent Home Secretary in living memory to be leader of the party and therefore PM.
    They couldn’t have been more welcoming and more agreeable to her method of negotiation (meek surrender), and the noise about disagreements with various ministers resigning is just to keep silly old tories satisfied, they could have removed her in a matter of days, they did it soon enough with Thatcher once she went off EU script.

    The betrayal of Brexit indeed of Britain was designed from the outset, long before this present storm, we are living through one of the worse examples of industrial scale treason by our elected leaders that i can recall.

    I’m deeply ashamed that our Sovereign signed off on Lisbon and the various treaties, just how deep does this go i wonder, she could have stopped it with the backing and love of the backbone of the country at any time.

    I’m deeply dismayed at how foolish, easily led, easily bought, our electorates are.
    No matter how incompetent corrupt hopeless devious or deviant our political class, in all the main parties, prove to be, no matter how disappointing each successive govt proves to be, they go out in their millions to vote for exactly the same people time and again, whilst presumably expecting a different result each time.
    You could not make it up, we as a nation deserve everything that’s coming our way.

    There is one small silver lining though.

    The tories and the rich in general are terrified of a Corbyn govt.
    Now throughout my life i’ve had to graft all hours the Good Lord sent in order to pay my bills, and raise my family, whichever bunch of traitors has been in govt hasn’t made all that much difference, and i suspect the same goes for most working people.

    So a Corbyn govt doesn’t hold any fears for me and nor should it for the vast majority of people, they would struggle to be any worse than the present lefty tories, but it is the rich who have kept the main parties in funding who are going to lose out when he becomes PM.

    So, if the ultimate betrayal of Brexit goes through, i am going to do everything i can to ensure those people suffer the one thing that scares them, the almost certain next three terms of a Marxist govt, if we’re going down then they are coming with us and with a lot more to lose.

    Tories you have the answer to this, either behave as a patriotic Conservative govt and do what you have to do to bring a real Brexit, or suffer the consequences.

    • November 5, 2018 at 11:20 am

      And thank you in turn for your summary.

    • Errol
      November 5, 2018 at 8:27 pm

      No, good heavens no.

      A Corbyn government would ruin the UK. The richest don’t pay taxes. Theymove their money away from thieves. Corbyn would tax and waste everything we’ve earned.

      Do you remember the miserable Brown years? 13 years of tax hikes – council tax tripling, insurance tax doubling, tax allowance suppressed, fuel duty increased ten fold. No. Labour are a disaster for the economy and cannot be allowed into office.

  2. Ye Olde Sausage Machine
    November 5, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    Great article James

    The sad fact is, the political establishment in their arrogance and hubris only offered the British people a referendum on EU membership because they believed the outcome was a foregone conclusion.

    The moment that Dimbleby announced the result in the early hours of 24th June 2016, the British establishment began to mobilise all of its forces to delegitimise Brexit. Within weeks, all the talk was of “cutting deals” with Brussels. The media and the political class started to employ Fabian strategies to wage a war of attrition against the British electorate. Brexit would cause economic ruin, would never survive as an independent sovereign trading nation, bla bla diddy bla. All of this has been compounded by a PM who was and is to this day ardently Pro EU. She is without doubt, a traitor and the worst of the very worst British PMs. The competition has been very tough but Theresa May is the hands down winner.

    We are being softened up for a compromise that will make Brexit meaningless. The Tory Party is expendable and will be sacrificed on the altar to save the supranational ambitions of the EU. Millions of us will never vote for the Tory Party again. We are facing the prospect of a communist government that will switch the lights off in the UK forever.

    I’ve never felt that civil insurrection was a possibility in the UK. The last two years have made me think otherwise.

  3. NickC
    November 5, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    This is an excellent summary of where we are. Thank you. I am 100% with you on no-platforming the Remains – it’s time they got a dose of there own medicine. If I want to listen to Remain propaganda all I have to do is switch on the BBC. There’s plenty of it to be had.

    In the meantime there is a huge amount to be discussed as to what we Leaves can do. I have written to my (Labour) MP who is a Remain so no joy there. I avoid buying EU stuff now, and I have found other Leaves are doing this too. Not cutting off our noses to spite our faces, but where there’s a choice, exercising it to the detriment of the EU. Each choice is a small victory.

    I do not watch or even listen to the BBC anymore. Of course I do not pay the BBC poll tax. I have stopped going to the cinema as much. I find myself looking at the actor and recalling the twerpish opinions they have on Brexit (or Trump) which is very off-putting. There must be more we can do?

  4. Errol
    November 5, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    This morning Today was desperately trying to say that because the EC had found ‘irregularities’ and other such tosh that the referendum was invalid.

    It’s tiresome. Yes, the BBC is funded by the EU. Yes, it is crushingly Left wing but it is, fundamentally bound by the terms educate, entertain and inform.

    Today is just pure hard Left lies.

    • James Strong
      November 6, 2018 at 7:05 am

      Instead of saying that ‘the BBC is funded by the EU’ it is better to say that the BBC receives funding from the EU.

      There are often good ideas on this site; sometimes the writing is unclear or it opens up avenues to those who disagree with your position.

  5. Pcar
    November 6, 2018 at 12:29 am

    @James

    Excellent post.

    Not sure if co-incidence, but BH has been saying similar: Remainers vs Remoaners.

    Below, a few posts as an FYI

    • Pcar
      November 6, 2018 at 12:38 am

      The future of pro-EU sentiment in the UK

      “Interesting. It looks like, because of the U effect – that the best time to win a Remain campaign is “last year” not “next year”. The more that time passes, the *harder* it is for Remain to win.”

      One aspect I think is ignored by the study & msm is how many remainers (not remoaners) will have been shocked by EU’s aggresive reaction to Brexit vote and their intrangience & spitefulness even if punishing UK means EU citizens suffer similar or greater hardship. Furthermore, constant msm and establishment insults to Leave voters is another negative.

      I know no Leave who would change vote, yet several remain who would change vote.

      Your thoughts?

    • Pcar
      November 6, 2018 at 12:40 am

      Peterloo encapsulated three themes: The resentment by the working classes about their exclusion from politics; the attitudes of a political elite based in London who saw their interests threatened by demands for much wider and healthier democracy; and the abuse of state power.

      Spot the similarities with Brexit? I can! They’re all over the place. The Brexit vote: overwhelmingly a phenomenon of regional England and Wales – especially northern England. The London elite: voices concentrated in the capital that not only like to pretend we’re too thick to know what we voted for, but who are trying with gusto to overturn or water down Brexit to point of meaninglessness. The abuse of state power…

      Good article.

    • Pcar
      November 6, 2018 at 12:57 am
    • Pcar
      November 7, 2018 at 1:03 am

      Brexiteers, and that between us we have quite a few graduate and post-graduate qualifications. It seems to me that a fair bit of thought and erudition has been on display.

      It is all the more annoying to be told that people who voted for Brexit tend to be stupid and/or uneducated while being told that the inverse is also true. If it’s true, we must have one heck of a lot of stupid and/or uneducated people in this country!

      Well said. The “Brexiters are uneducated, ……” insult really grates with my mother (retired teacher, business founder, past President of B&PWC*, …), brother (MBA, BA Hons, DipM; partner in top 10 Mgt Consultancy), me (MBA, BSc, DipM) [Note: pre-Blair/Millenial dumbed down Unis & Degrees] and JRM, Banks, Farage etc.

      On Banks: Remoaners claiming he Bought the referendum. Nonsense, bought for ~16p per Brexit vote?

      Hellary tried to buy USA election, spent three times more – how did that work out?

      *Business and professional womans club

  6. Pcar
    November 6, 2018 at 12:33 am

    @Mark Hodgson, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:03 PM

    Brexiteers, and that between us we have quite a few graduate and post-graduate qualifications. It seems to me that a fair bit of thought and erudition has been on display.

    It is all the more annoying to be told that people who voted for Brexit tend to be stupid and/or uneducated while being told that the inverse is also true. If it’s true, we must have one heck of a lot of stupid and/or uneducated people in this country!

    Well said. The “Brexiters are uneducated, ……” insult really grates with my mother (retired teacher, business founder, past President of B&PWC [bpwuk.co.uk], …), brother (MBA, BA Hons, DipM; partner in top 10 Mgt Consultancy), me (MBA, BSc, DipM) [Note: pre-Blair/Millenial dumbed down Unis & Degrees] and JRM, Banks, Farage etc.

    On Banks: Remoaners claiming he Bought the referendum. Nonsense, bought for ~16p per Brexit vote?

    Hellary tried to buy USA election, spent three times more – how did that work out?

  7. Pcar
    November 6, 2018 at 12:35 am

    Peterloo encapsulated three themes: The resentment by the working classes about their exclusion from politics; the attitudes of a political elite based in London who saw their interests threatened by demands for much wider and healthier democracy; and the abuse of state power.

    Spot the similarities with Brexit? I can! They’re all over the place. The Brexit vote: overwhelmingly a phenomenon of regional England and Wales – especially northern England. The London elite: voices concentrated in the capital that not only like to pretend we’re too thick to know what we voted for, but who are trying with gusto to overturn or water down Brexit to point of meaninglessness. The abuse of state power…

    Good article.

  8. November 6, 2018 at 3:53 am

    Thanks for all those.

  9. Pcar
    November 7, 2018 at 12:55 am
  10. Pcar
    November 7, 2018 at 12:55 am

    Remainers vs Remoaners: Says it all:

    Last week I had lunch with an old mate of mine, a moderate Labour MP who represents a Leave constituency. Why, I asked him, don’t Labour simply promise to honour the referendum result and take Britain out of the EU, customs union and all?

    That would instantly reverse Conservative gains in the Midlands and North and scupper Theresa May’s duplicitous Brexit betrayal. Surely it makes political sense?

    Simple, he said. You can’t argue rationally against a religion. And Labour (and Tory) Remoaners belong to a euro-cult based in Brussels. They are immune to reason….

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