Destroy the EU

This sums up everything I have to say on May and the Tories:

Some readers might not be aware where your humble blogger is on Brexit and has been since 2003.

Yes – pro-Brexit like most but that’s not the central thing – the central thing is to destroy the EU, lock, stock and barrel, to bring this criminal excrescence, this bastard child of Marxism, this cuckoo on someone else’s nest down so that it ceases to blight the whole of Europe.

Why? For the simplified answer, The Telegraph:

For the fine detail, choose anywhere you like in our circle of blogs, choose anywhere you like at OoL or my blog, choose any of Pcar’s recent comments, plus others – there is your fine detail, there is the reason.  For example:

We pundits have been at this a very long time.  The Telegraph, now fashionably, has come onboard and so, perhaps, we’re not as tinfoil hat as we were accused of in the early days.  Yes, there very much is a cabal, yes, they very much are trying to create a globalist Europe and ultimately, via the UN and various other bodies, in the WTO, a global governance.

In a Marxist form, with an unelected politburo ruling it.

And those pooh-poohing that all this is going on are either:

1. The ignorati who read only the deep captcha MSM or
2. Those with a vested interest in pooh-poohing the idea.

My attitude towards those who have now woken up is – better late than never.

15 comments for “Destroy the EU

  1. November 18, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    ‘My attitude towards those who have now woken up is – better late than never.’

    Agree with you totally, James.

    Funny how much of the ‘conspiracy theory’ stuff of 20 years ago has since proven to be a ‘conspiracy’, which even certain media outlets now openly acknowledge.

  2. PoppaBear
    November 18, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    Even I am astounded at the level of Mays deceit if even half of this is true …….

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-17/40-hidden-horrors-theresa-mays-brexit-deal

  3. Pcar
    November 18, 2018 at 11:33 pm

    @PoppaBear

    Zerohedge/Spectator are correct.

    M Courtney & I @ http://www.bishop-hill.net/unthreaded/ were on the ball night Draft Agreement released and conclusion was same – hidden horrors & betrayal

  4. Pcar
    November 18, 2018 at 11:44 pm

    ERG publish Your Right To Know – the case against the Government’s Brexit deal
    Four days after the release of the 585-page draft Withdrawal Agreement for the UK’s exit from the European Union, the European Research Group (ERG) of eurosceptic Conservative MPs today publishes a concise guide making the case against the putative deal.

    In Your Right to Know, the group – chaired by Jacob Rees-Mogg – seeks to put the case against what Theresa May has agreed with the EU in plain English – and BrexitCentral is exclusively publishing the full text of the 7-page document.

    • Pcar
      November 18, 2018 at 11:46 pm

      Politico:

      Rabb said the final straw was hearing news that the EU intended the backstop customs arrangement, which was negotiated to prevent the need for a border in Northern Ireland, to form the basis of the U.K.’s eventual economic relationship with the bloc. POLITICO was first to report that Tuesday night.

      Asked if someone on the U.K. side had prevented him from knowing earlier he said, “Yep.” When asked who, he said: “I don’t know. I’ve asked how this change was made and who licensed it and there’s not been a clear answer.”

      See Andrew Marr Show Dominic Raab Sun 18th November

  5. Pcar
    November 19, 2018 at 12:20 am

    @James,

    On “Destroy the EU”

    Yes, sooner the better. They’re a dangerous parasite.

    imho they exemplify Europe’s inadequacy and their irrational (phobic?) fear of USA (and UK?). No other countries ~170 vs 27/8 have felt it necessary or advantageous to do similar.

    I was too young in 1973, my parents voted Yes and by 80s regretted it. For at least two decades my mother has been saying EU will self-destruct like USSR, sooner the better, hopes she lives to see it. Her contempt/hatred for Heath, politicians, public sector and msm and their lies is palpable.

    Me? I and my parents were too busy studying and/or working (SE, Hotel) when I was a teen to discuss politics, I formed my own views and at 18/19 voted for Margaret in 1983 GE.

    .
    Yes:

    On 18 Nov 2018 at 13:26, Pcar’s brother@xxx.xxx> wrote:

    “Whatever way you look at it, it’s a disgrace. May and her allies have no faith or pride in the UK, nor any shame about misleading other cabinet members, MPs and the country.”

  6. Pcar
    November 19, 2018 at 12:23 am

    Politico:

    Rabb said the final straw was hearing news that the EU intended the backstop customs arrangement, which was negotiated to prevent the need for a border in Northern Ireland, to form the basis of the U.K.’s eventual economic relationship with the bloc. POLITICO was first to report that Tuesday night.

    Asked if someone on the U.K. side had prevented him from knowing earlier he said, “Yep.” When asked who, he said: “I don’t know. I’ve asked how this change was made and who licensed it and there’s not been a clear answer.”

    See Andrew Marr Show Dominic Raab Sun 18th November

  7. Pcar
    November 19, 2018 at 12:24 am

    The Sunday Times has a piece relating that May & chums have strategised scenarios to twist leaver sentiment by actually trying to crash UK financial markets.

    It is a measure of the turmoil at the moment that they are considering this and also that somebody has had the guts to leak the proposal.

    If it is true – we should be regaled with details of who proposed it and who supported it.

    • November 19, 2018 at 6:08 am

      Major push by the mandarins right now. There were mugshots of them on Twitter.

    • November 20, 2018 at 11:18 pm

      I’ve already blogged about the Nuclear Option: a bad Brexit deal that cannot be accepted in Parliament and then on to an exit with no deal.

      Then a Soros-generated market crash (blamed on the no-deal exit) to force the UK to go crawling back to the EU on worse terms than pre-Brexit (Euro membership, no rebate, etc.).

      The terms of the next 2-5 years are already in plain sight for those that have eyes to see. Whether the ordinary person is up for the fight is hard to gauge.

      We need a real leader who can carry the population with them against the globalists and weather whatever they can throw at us.

  8. Pcar
    November 19, 2018 at 12:31 am

    Michael Gove, is now scaremongering “No Mars Bars if we leave EU with no deal” (Express) – how utterly trivial and also evil “scare the children”.

    Meanwhile, an adult in the room:

    “Rabb said the final straw was hearing news that the EU intended the backstop customs arrangement, which was negotiated to prevent the need for a border in Northern Ireland, to form the basis of the U.K.’s eventual economic relationship with the bloc. POLITICO was first to report that Tuesday night.

    Asked if someone on the U.K. side had prevented him from knowing earlier he said, “Yep.” When asked who, he said: “I don’t know. I’ve asked how this change was made and who licensed it and there’s not been a clear answer.”

    See Andrew Marr Show Dominic Raab Sun 18th November

  9. Pcar
    November 20, 2018 at 1:01 am

    Spectator

    May’s Brexit deal: 40 rebuttals to Downing Street’s 40 rebuttals

    Is a deal better than no deal? After Mr S attempted to answer that question over the weekend by publishing 40 horrors lurking in the small print of Theresa May’s Brexit deal, No. 10 got in touch with 40 rebuttals to Steerpike’s 40 horrors.

    Still with us? Well, episode three of this series is finally here. Mr S thanks 10 Downing Street for conceding many of the 40 points on the Withdrawal Agreement, and for engaging in all of them. In the spirit of friendly discussion, here are all 40 of Steerpike’s responses.

  10. Pcar
    November 20, 2018 at 1:02 am

    Agreeing with Alastair Campbell?

    LBC Nigel Farage And Alastair Campbell Arguing About Theresa May’s Capitulation Agreement

    First 6 minutes: Campbell May is being dishonest and won’t tell the truth that we’re not able to leave backstop.

    Strangely, I agree with a lot of what Alastair Campbell said

  11. Pcar
    November 20, 2018 at 1:05 am

    British Prime Minister Theresa May isn’t a leader

    Theresa May is ‘not a leader’

  12. Pcar
    November 20, 2018 at 1:08 am

    Excellent, clear informative article. A Lawyers for Britain QC writes:

    Theresa May’s backstop plan would drop the UK into a legal black hole

    …much more important than seeing the Attorney’s advice is seeing the actual legal text of the deal being negotiated in secret between the UK government and the EU.

    There is no valid diplomatic reason for keeping the text secret, since it is known to the other side in the negotiations. I fear that the real reason for this secrecy is to limit the ability of Parliamentarians, lawyers, experts and others to study the details of what is being agreed behind closed doors, and to identify problems and other issues which arise from the detailed provisions of the legal text which may not be apparent from what is in the public domain.

    If a backstop arrangement is taken forward and put into a treaty text, it will become legally binding. If we sign a treaty committing the UK to operate a backstop arrangement, is not realistic to say (as some have) that it is just a treaty and we can either change it in future or just leave it or even break it. Under international law, we cannot change the treaty or legally leave

    what the EU is currently asking for – a clause which would allow the UK to terminate the backstop only if the backstop is replaced by a subsequent agreement with the EU – is wholly exceptional in international trade treaty practice. This would lock the UK into a relationship with the EU which the UK could not escape except with the EU’s permission.

    It appears that that relationship would involve obligations to follow the EU’s rules on external tariffs and customs, on so-called “level playing field” measures relating to state aids, the environment, employment and other areas, and (according to latest news reports) a continuing obligation to maintain access for EU boats into UK fishing waters.

    Further, these would be obligations to follow EU rules not as they stand today but as they are altered in the future. Unlike now, we would have no vote or veto on changes to these rules. So they could be altered (intentionally or not) in ways which damage British businesses compared with their Continental competitors. The rules would also be subject to unpredictable changes of interpretation as a result judgments of the ECJ, a court on which we will no longer have representation.

    Trade & Jobs
    ..The tariff and non-tariff barriers of the EU single market and customs union make it more difficult and costly to import competing goods from non-EU countries, so EU27 producers are able to sell this large surplus of goods into the UK market at significantly above world prices.

    These “backstop” terms would force the UK to keep in place the barriers against competing goods from non-EU countries entering the UK market.The “level playing field” terms would suppress the competitiveness of UK industry.

    This would make it impossible in practice to negotiate away the “level playing field” restrictions and barriers against non-EU imports when concluding a long term trade agreement with the EU. Why should the EU concede terms which are worse for the EU in the trade agreement, than it can get simply by not agreeing a trade agreement and letting the “backstop” come into force?

    Conclusion
    my advice to the Cabinet is that agreeing to a backstop which the UK can only leave if we satisfy a review mechanism risks dropping the UK into a legal black hole for probably a number of years – and quite possibly for longer. While in that black hole, we would be subject to EU control of our tariffs and external trade policy and of wide areas of our internal laws, without having any vote on the rules which bind us.

    At present, we have a clear legal right to free ourselves from obeying EU rules and from EU control of our external trade policy by giving two years notice. We have given that notice under Article 50 and we shall be free on 30 March 2019. Under the backstop as contemplated we would be worse off than we are as an EU member because our right to escape from EU laws would no longer be under our control. In the best case it would be subject to severe delay of unpredictable length, and in the worst case might be dependent on satisfying conditions which we can never successfully achieve.

    The final piece of advice I give to the Cabinet is you are mad, simply mad, if you pursue this course.

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